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#21 Colin Pykett

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 09:34 AM

Re Tony's post, I think Alfred E Davies and Son of Northampton built similar small instruments in the mid-20th century.  The concept was that of a limited number of extended ranks of contrasting tonalities which could be extended using couplers.  Somewhere I have example stop lists, unless they have got lost during life's travels.  They also marketed electronic organs under the name "Gregorian" which used a similar system.  These were designed originally by the late Peter Walker who founded the QUAD high--end audio firm, famous for its amplifiers and electrostatic loudspeakers.  He was an amateur musician who played the flute I think, though not the organ as far as I am aware.  The Gregorian electronics did not have much of a reputation though, even by the poor standards of the day.

 

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 01:28 PM

Quite a lot of Vox Angelicas were really Salicionals, St Pauls Blackheath and St Mary Hurst Hill are examples.

 

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:31 PM

 

I might be wrong, and I apologise if I am, but I think that was pcnd5584 who mentioned that he had that, or something similar, (thinking about it, I think it was 'choir to pub'!) put on an instrument where he was, at the time, organist.

 

He also mentioned that he intended to have, when the Minster organ at Wimbourne is restored, 'Pulpit trapdoor' - very good!

 

You are indeed correct, SL.  We are currently in discussion regarding the rebuilding of the Minster organ - I have already mentioned the 'Pulpit Trapdoor' stop (which I want connected and fully operational....)


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#24 pcnd5584

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:33 PM

The oddity at St. Sepulchre - the full length Double Open Wood 32' - occurred because the pipes of the present organ came from its predecessor, which was much larger.  The story, as I heard it from the late John Mee (who played there regularly) was that Sir Sidney Nicholson selected the best stops from the 3 manual, 46 stop instrument.  The result is one of those small instruments that sounds like a much larger one, as in Nicholson's collaboration with Arthur Harrison for the Royal School of Church Music at Chislehurst, subsequently at Addington and Cleveland Lodge, and now at St. Alkmund, Shrewsbury.  The St. Sepulchre organ was certainly a remarkable beast and probably deserves restoration in its present form rather than recasting in a more historical manner.

 

Unfortunately, at the moment, this instrument makes no sound at all. As far as I know, the console has been disconnected, pending a restoration; an electronic substitute is currently in use.


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 11:36 PM

Wimborne Minster has one of these to disable the Chamades with the key secure at all times in the pocket of the current 'Titulaire'. I have also heard of a similar arrangement at a well known public school where the decibel levels of teenage practice can be kept in check by means of a switch and lock.

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Co-incidentally, I had to have this key duplicated twice, today. It is quite small, and I have now lost two copies. It has been very useful this summer, since the Chamade has been foully out of tune for most of the season, due to very hot weather (for Dorset), interspersed with occasional cooler and rainy days.


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Posted 01 September 2016 - 07:36 AM

Quite a lot of Vox Angelicas were really Salicionals, St Pauls Blackheath and St Mary Hurst Hill are examples.

 

Barrie

 

Another one i'd forgotten about http://www.npor.org.....html?RI=R01044



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 07:38 AM

In my book, this had to be the most bizarre: http://www.npor.org.....html?RI=N07884



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 09:37 AM

Shame it was scrapped, but how odd!!!



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 12:50 PM

It was pretty unusable, though.  The Dulciana cornet was completely feeble, and I couldn't discern any worthwhile purpose in it.

 

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Posted 01 September 2016 - 03:22 PM

The Pusey House, Oxford, organ referred to above could have been very interesting, but everyone I know who had experience of it, from Bernard Edmonds onward, said that the constituent ranks were too gormless to make any impression.  A departure from the usual Rest Cartwright stuff, which tended to be run of the mill (although his organ in St. John's Glastonbury was "different" - anyone else heard of a reed called "Reim"?) http://www.npor.org.....html?RI=N06861 and others looked a bit Hope-Jonesey, like Terrington St. Clement in Norfolk (a small organ for a church the size of a cathedral) http://www.npor.org.....html?RI=N06695.

 

Pusey House wasn't the only odd beast in the Oxford organ menagerie - Sir Hugh Allen's scheme at the Sheldonian Theatre was odd, too.  He wanted a "diapason organ" but Henry Willis III managed to ameliorate his ideas a little (as did Henry Ley, who wanted a Tuba) http://www.npor.org.....html?RI=N11003

 

Anything designed by Jean Guillou looks pretty bizarre....



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 04:10 PM

The Pusey House, Oxford, organ referred to above could have been very interesting, but everyone I know who had experience of it, from Bernard Edmonds onward, said that the constituent ranks were too gormless to make any impression.  A departure from the usual Rest Cartwright stuff, which tended to be run of the mill (although his organ in St. John's Glastonbury was "different" - anyone else heard of a reed called "Reim"?)

 

 

There is a modern 32ft Contra Reim here  See details of N10177 at Milton Abbey in Dorset.



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Posted 01 September 2016 - 07:01 PM

Is it in fact spelled “Reim”? 

 
I’m wondering, because the only builder who ever came up with a similar name was Johann Friedrich Schulze (father to Edmund). In 1847/9, he included a “Riem 16'” in his large organ at Bremen cathedral. The stop was a Bassoon with wooden reeds (in the previously given source, it’s plainly called “Fagott”), an idea which is supposed to have been brought up by cathedral organist Wilhelm Friedrich Riem, after whom the stop was christened. It can't have been terribly successful, as it was exchanged for a more traditional reed in the second half of the 19th century.
 
I am asking because Schulze was to be such a big name in England, and – pardon my frankness – many English writers don't get the German ie/ei (ee/eye) thing right.
 
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Posted 02 September 2016 - 01:10 AM

Definitely "Reim" in all the versions of the stop-list I've seen, but Cartwright or the original transcriber could have got it wrong.  There are some odd spellings on stop-knobs.  The organ I played at St. John's, Newfoundland until I moved to New Brunswick a few weeks ago had a "Lieblick" on the Swell, duplicated on the Pedal with the same spelling, and the Irish Organ Company habitually spelled the same word "Leiblich".  Wells-Kennedy, an otherwise irreproachable firm, provided a "Pasaune" at least once.

 

Drinkstone Parish Church, Suffolk, assembled by Gildersleeve of Bury St. Edmunds and brought here from Thurston when the Father Willis arrived there, has a "Stopt Base", a "Liblick Gedact" and a "Fiftienth", and the Swell Principal 4 is labelled "8" (as is the similar stop at Somerton).  Various builders use "Gedeckt", "Gedackt", "Gedacht" and "Gedact", although rarely in the same instrument....

 

You'd think the engraver would have spotted and corrected it, but they seem to have been like the printers who do the menus for Chinese restaurants.



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 01:52 PM

There's an organ here that has a 4' Schalmie. I'm sure I've come across Salcional more than once too. My last pipe organ had some linguistically confused stopknobs: Gedackt Flute, Spindle Flöte and Sifflote (without the umlaut); apart from the names the specification was straightforward though.



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 09:17 PM

 

Is it in fact spelled “Reim”? 

 
 

 

Reim.

 

As far as I'm aware, in German 'Reim' translates as 'rhyme'.

 

On the other hand, I googled 'reim' and it is, apparently: "A strip of oxhide, deprived of hair, and rendered pliable, - used for twisting into ropes, etc."

 

Neither seems to bear any resemblance to organ pipes unless, of course, they were made from a type of shaved and pliable ox hide (I wonder how well they would keep in tune), or if they might rhyme - sound similar to - another stop!



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 09:53 PM

There's an organ here that has a 4' Schalmie. I'm sure I've come across Salcional more than once too. My last pipe organ had some linguistically confused stopknobs: Gedackt Flute, Spindle Flöte and Sifflote (without the umlaut); apart from the names the specification was straightforward though.

Henry Willis 4 had a pet stop he called "Spindle Float" and spelled without the umlaut.  "Salcional" is quite common.  Didn't our hosts use it at St. Andrew's, Holborn, rather than the rather unpleasant (and possibly alchemic) looking "Keraulophon".

 

Regarding the oxhide, when J.J. Binns died, they found a rhinoceros hide in his stor, but that seems a little over the top....es.  No one knew what he had it for.  Binns organs were famously well-built.

 

Ballywalter Presbyterian in Co. Down has a "Bra Flute", Lord knows why.  It's even more strange in that the instrument was largely assembled by the local Minister.



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 10:42 PM

The old organ at my church had a Salcional. And an Accoustic bass. I began to think that Noterman was not on the top rung of organ builders...



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Posted 03 September 2016 - 12:28 AM

On a recent trip to Holland I played an organ with a Vagot: http://www.orgelsite.../beverwijk1.htm
It also has, rather oddly, a Roorfluÿt on one manual and a Rhorflúyt on the other.

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 12:36 AM

Henry Willis 4 had a pet stop he called "Spindle Float" and spelled without the umlaut.

 

Bingo!  Yep, it was a Willis IV (in its last incarnation) - but that particular stop did have the umlaut.



#40 Colin Pykett

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Posted 03 September 2016 - 07:47 AM

St Peter's, Eaton Sq, London:

 

Viola Felix

 

I have a lurking memory that this is something to do with somone's cat, though I did play this instrument shortly after its inauguration and it didn't sound particularly feline as I recall.  Maybe it had been doctored.

 

St Anne's, Moseley, Birmingham:

 

Flauto Magico

 

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