Contrabombarde
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On 15/01/2022 at 02:51, Lausanne said:
Partially correct. The organ was originally built by Nicholson of Bradford in 1886 for the Rosse Street Baptist Chapel in Shipley (W. Yorks). It was enlarged and a solo division added by H&H between 1889 and 1900. A major reason for it sounding so good is down to the acoustics of the cathedral.
Ah yes, the acoustics are the best stop on any great organ....
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Have you done Google image searches using the phrases you listed above? ie
Some people who have built their own Hauptwerk virtual organ consoles have added decorative pipes in various places, for instance to conceal the speakers, and there's a long list of impressive (and sometimes slightly hideous) such consoles here. My own four manual organ is in the list (and I think it's one of the prettier ones if I may say so...
Whilst I appreciate this is fundamentally a pipe organ forum and mention of any other sources of sound generation are unwelcome (with the possible exception of harmoniums!) building a virtual pipe organ console is a fantastic exercise in thinking through console ergonomics, and indeed the practicalities of designing a pipe facade should you go that far - for instance managing the fact that every pipe is a different diameter but they should all be level at the front - but not therefore the back where they are held in place. But the photos might provide further ideas for you - or maybe suggest designs to avoid if you don't want it looking squat and blocky under a low ceiling. Having something like a 4 foot C at or below impost, where the impost is the level of the lowest keyboard, will help give the illusion of height in a small room, and having pipes just above the top manual and a slatted music desk in front of them, rather than a solid music desk with pipes starting above the top of the music desk, would also help provide extra height for facade pipes.
Question for organbuilders - when designing a case do you need to choose the pipe scale first, or is there enough flexibility to design that into the pipe facade? When I designed my organ the dimensions were dictated by the width of the non-speaking second hand diapason pipes I placed on my facade.
If you are serious about designing a pipe organ you would obviously need to consider whether to go for mechanical or electric action; the latter could permit a more efficient use of space within the organ chamber though you still need adequate space for the pipes to sound. Being more radical still you could design an instrument with a detached console (and if so the case wouldn't necessarily need to be so squat and limited by a low ceiling. You could even have different ranks on separate soundboards scattered around the room, or arrange the pipes for each rank in a spiral or some other creative design!
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James Mcinnie gives the opening recital of the newly restored and completed Hill at Shrewsbury Abbey tomorrow Fri 15 October at 630pm. I say complete as it has taken 110 years to add pipes to the many "prepared for" drawstops but it is a beautiful instrument to play and hear.
Details of a weekend of events and the new specification can be found at
https://www.shrewsburyabbey.com/
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On 13/09/2021 at 19:22, Paul_H said:
A brief history of Pattman's organ by H&H is indeed described in Elvin's book, together with specification and photographs.
What in the world is a "Bombarde (one pipe only, common to lowest 12 keys of pedal board, 15 inches wind) 32 foot" stop?
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Mobile phone cameras offer fantastic video quality now. Unfortunately the sound lags behind, and especially so for an instrument such as the organ which has wide dynamic variation between pp and ff. Most phones try to boost sound level (including ambient, blower noise etc) in quiet bits and cut back suddenly when it goes loud.
I've taken to recording my performances with an external USB microphone and computer, or when recording on my home Hauptwerk organ, I use the built in sound recorder. In video editor software I import both phone video and audio, and "proper" audio track, set the editor to view the waveforms on both audio tracks and shift the latter left or right until they are superimposed (actually it may be better if the sound is very slightly delayed or right shifted by a fraction of a second as video processing is much more complex than audio processing so if perfectly synched, you may find the sounds sounding very slightly before the corresponding note has been played which looks silly in close up).
I then mute the audio track that the phone made. That of course has the further benefit of muting any extraneous comments I make when I hit a wrong note, and making my keyboards sound less clackety than they are in reality!
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Must say I'd never heard of Braunstein (correct spelling) and imslp does not list him. It appears he died aged 26 fighting in the First World War. The following link provides a little information about this monster organ, compass CC (or should that be written CCC?) to e(4?).
Considering his apparent lack of recognition now, I wonder how he managed to afford a four manual organ of this scale (and a house to go with it!)
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I was once asked to play this for the bridal entrance by a couple who liked it so much they wanted me to play the whole piece and just keep going until the end knowing they would be at the altar by the time the natural "shortened" stopping point had been reached. As it was in a cathedral the walk down the aisle was already quite long enough. Somewhat nerve-racking, given that I rarely play the whole piece, and the middle bit is probably rather harder than the cheating shorter version!
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The full article is behind a pay wall but appears to be about a freely available article he wrote recently for another publication, the National Churches' Trust annual report. Link here.
what organ is he photographed sitting at the console of? The legend says Holy Tribity Clapham but that is a 3 manual, this is a large 4 decker.
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Does action have something to do with it? I can't imagine a large mechanical action organ such as Birmingham Symphony Hall having a radical rebuild such as has happened to Leeds Town Hall (down from 5 to 3 manuals, and now going up to 4). Is there something about future proofing in the design of a mechanical organ that electric action organs have more scope for moving things around and adding ranks to cubby holes until the thing becomes unwieldy and someone decides to go back to the drawing board of the original builder or some other point in time (and then continue in a giant circle perhaps)?
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13 hours ago, Nic Robinson said:
I think you might be referring to the Wurlitzer in the Hulme Playhouse, which the BBC used as a studio for some time. I can remember sitting at the console in the mid 1970s whilst recording a broadcast with my school. The organ is long gone, but parts of it can still be heard as they were incorporated into the Worthing Assembly Hall Wurlitzer which I have heard on several occasions.
Fascinating I grew up near there and had no idea such a grotty dump of a building housed a Wurlitzer. The theatre, long on a risk list, seems to have recently gained a new lease of life, sans orgue. l found photos of the Beeb's Wurlitzer here.
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I suspect the reason the organ in Guildford Cathedral sounded like a magnificent Harrison and Harrison is because it was a magnificent Harrison and Harrison, of 1900 vintage and transplanted to Guildford Cathedral by Rushworth and Dreapers.....
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9 hours ago, Philip J Wells said:
I wonder why people always think of compromising the top note. We did very well for years without a bottom C sharp!
I do wonder how many keys on the typical organ have never once been played except when being tuned - with a mechanical pedal coupler they would at least be played more often as I expect pretty much all pedal notes will get used, but manual notes? I thought some baroque organs didn't have a bottom C#. Can anyone think of any music which requires a manual bottom C#? Or a top B for instance?
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Presumably any blind organists who have committed to learn JSB's entire works?
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So if the Mander is leaving Cambridge where is it going and in turn, what will it become?
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On 25/04/2021 at 10:02, Vox Humana said:
This is an old bone of contention. It depends how you measure them. Atlantic City has more manuals and stop-keys, but is just a monumental extension organ. The Wannamaker has more pipes and individual ranks. Don't the Americans tend to use the latter method? I'm sure someone can tell me.
Latest estimate for Atlantic City Hall is 33,116 compared to a mere 28,750 pipes at Wanamaker, the scale of difference being the size of a large cathedral organ. However only around half of Atlantic City is working compared to around 95% of the Wanamaker organ though the current restoration is intended to restore it to complete working order.
Having heard both in the flesh - and walked around the innards of both - I felt the Atlantic City organ was just too brash and overblown (though it has to be to be heard in such a huge enclosure) though its tonal design was impressively thorough. The Wanamaker organ is a thing of beauty despite the much smaller space it speaks into since most of the store was given over to office space and most of the galleries were glassed over. Interestingly the two organs were originally in competition with one another but the team that curates the Wanamaker is responsible for restoring Atlantic City Hall's organ.
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And now if you aren't fortunate enough to be having your jab in the splendour of Salisbury Cathedral you can buy the official vaccination music CD and still allow their sublime Willis to accompany your "Fauci ouchie" (as my American friends call it!) wherever you are. All profits go to NHS charities.
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Pretty sure the Thalben ball variations does.
Dupre Cortege et litanie requires top G for the arpeggios near the end (i have no idea what you do on a 30 note setup).
Jeremy Cull's fine transcription of Hamish MacCunn's Land of the mountain and the flood uses top F# and G but can be worked around.
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As per my post that describes how I do page turns on my home practice organ (see photo earlier in this thread), you could potentially have two identical tablets (13 inch is an easier size to read music than the ubiquitous 10 inch). Put them next to each other on the stand, open the same score on both and set up a Bluetooth page turner (such as my beloved Donner, inexpensive and bombproof reliability). Then here's the clever bit, advance the right hand tablet by one page. Every time you then press the page turner, both tablets advance the score by one page, so you always have the latest page on the right and the previous page on the left. No more awkward page turns, and tricky passages that previously ran over a page turn go across the centre fold.
The catch is you would need someone to press the page turner button unless you are playing at Kings College Cambridge Chapel which has a tablet page turn advance thumb piston. Trust me, every new organ should have one.
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Possibly the record for the most number of people required to play a piece of organ music is held by Daniel Roth at Saint-Sulpice. In at least one video he has, in addition to himself, two registrants, a page turner and of course the camera operator!
I hope the nose technique isn't widespread as I tend not to wipe down keyboards before I start playing on an unfamiliar instrument (not that I've actually played anything other than my home practice organ since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic) but if Uranus becomes popular in the repertory I might need to reconsider.
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Thank you for sharing that list. A wonderful idea for broadening our experience and enjoyment of organs during such a difficult time for so many.
But it begs a wider question of how could such events be put on a sustainable footing? The organist deserves his or her wages though there always have been those (myself included) who are willing to play for free. Can the widening up to new audiences offset the loss in income and cover the expenses that are needed to keep an organ in top condition?
In some sectors the answer is evidently yes - open source software nonetheless manages to pay its way for some people as an example. The challenge for organists and indeed organ builders will be how to exploit the new opportunities we have without losing all we have worked so hard to get.
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Nice feature with the organ(isi) playing the Air and interviewing John Challenger on BBCRadio 4 "Broadcasting House" this morning at around 9:17 and available to listen again to.
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Very sad news. Especially poignant that the organ had not been working for many years due for damage in a fire in 1967 and was only restored in 2017.
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On 20/01/2021 at 13:27, Rowland Wateridge said:
An interesting post, thank you. A personal memory, not dealing with the technical matters you mention.
The 1979 inaugural recital of the Ronald Sharp organ in Sydney Opera House by Michael Dudman was broadcast live from Australia by the BBC (I seem to recall this involved staying up to a late hour), and I recorded it on tape. It resulted in a waspish letter from Cecil Clutton in ‘Organists Review’ criticising both the organ and the performance with a somewhat cheap jibe about Michael Dudman being well-named. As I recall, among other things he particularly objected to a cadenza added to the Passacaglia in C minor. The next issue of OR contained a firm rebuttal to Clutton from Christopher Dearnley “You got it wrong, Sam!”, adding that this was a magnificent organ!If I could take one CD with me to my desert island it would be Michael Dudman's recording of the organ at Sydney Opera House. Quite aside from the variety of pieces and enormous tonal variation of the organ, the piece de resistance is surely his breathtaking performance of the Passacaglia and Fugue. Just when you reach what you always thought was the climax of the figure, the famous Neapolitan Sixth, along comes almost half a minute of what I guess was Dudman's own cadenza, before resuming again à la Bach. It isn't Bach, it is completely unexpected, and it isn't going to be to everyone's taste. But put aside those objections and you have a stunning and completely unexpected twist to Bach's masterpiece. I presume that was what Cecil Clutton objected to. I certainly don't and think it's magnificent (the cadenza, as well as the organ).
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What a wonderful way to receive a life-saving immunisation against this dreadful virus!
The nave of Salisbury Cathedral has been converted into a mass COVID-19 vaccination centre and a program of organ music has been arranged while people have their vaccinations. If you had the choice what would you like to be listening to at the time (and a certain fail for anyone who dares to suggest a particular set of variations by Sweelinck)?
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Magnificent is surely the understatement of the century for such a glorious instrument. The previous fire was a sorry end to what should have been just as glorious but which evidently had gone a little too far with first its romanticisation then a botched attempt at returning it to its former glory (with an electric action and new ruckpositive cases many times bigger than the originals that were discarded a century earlier). Such is progress.
As for the cost, £3+ million seems pretty good value if it was budgeted for in the tradition (in Bach's day) for the wealthiest towns and churches to outdo one another by ensuring the case cost at least twice as much as the instrument inside it.