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Once in 80 years? That sounds often enough to me, Same could be said when it comes to visiting relations too!! To get back on the subject ; the Eaton Hall bells were actually cast by the Belgian foundry of Van Aerschodt of Louvain. There are 28 bells and 56 strikers. I think I am turning into a carillon geekfreak!

Phew! that was a close one in not being able to find the vid! To prove I am not a complete Luddite with regard to these machines/instruments I have to say there is a very good one close to the Flower Market in Amsterdam which when we last visited played a JSB Prelude quite nicely, even to my ears! Just to add to the list of these devices there is one attached to the clock mechanism in the chapel at Eaton Hall. It works to the extent that quite a number of the pins are missing so the tunes are not recognizable. Fortunately His Grace does not allow it to be operated.

I really think that he best place for a carillon is in a tower as per normal bells. I would be less than happy if one of my neighbours purchased one of these quirky contraptions; in much the same way as if one should install an organ ( ! I am happy to remain on my own with this opinion but to me they just sound like an overblown musical box. Even a full ring of bells tends to take on the sound of scaffolding falling off the back of a lorry and rolling down the hill. I have in mind here the huge amount of metal swinging about in the tower of Liverpool Cathedral . Despite my jaundiced views on the subject I am still interested in the history and manufacture of bells generally, as well as these " instruments " .

You have caused me some hair tearing angst on this matter, well it would be if I had any! I think this will have to be turned over to the Forum Grammar Police for further mooting.

I agree too! As regards the battle between pipes and silicone you are quite correct that there is no comparison; they are two completely different species yet they manage to ultimately produce the same effect i.e. obey the rules of physics /acoustics and tickle our auditory senses! After that it is all a matter of our individual interpretation plus the quality of our own hearing. Now where did I put my hearing aid?

Just tuned in after a couple of decent sized brandies and must confess to being somewhat confused with some of the replies to this thread! Thought I was referring to organs , especially those of the " D " variety. Whatever effect people desire to obtain from their fiddles is their affair; nothing wrong with that. Hey -ho ,never mind, will try again tomorrow; best thing methinks

CORRECTION edit out extra " myself "

Looking forward myself to this little treat myself. DB is an outstanding musician/performer ( one of a very long line fortunately ) Will have to be on Catchup since it is broadcast far too late for me!

Very good! hope it is up and running for the 95th and that IT may perform an offering on it. Yes, I get very epsdis ffo too with comments referring to digital instruments as being merely " electronic " or just " toasters ". It would appear that there still persists a significant number of people who still need nudging into the 21st century. Do these individuals still have gas/ oil lights in their caves for the sake of being " truly authentic? " As I have stated before on this subject, I have been exposed to censure from my very early days on this site for being so impertinent as to even mention the " D " word; I think that this attitude seems to being gradually put where it belongs - a hole in the ground. Liverpool Anglican comes in for some stick with regard to " excess " but it is after all a rather large edifice which requires different instruments to suit different requirements. The Monster In The Loft provides for the greater part of these but there are many occasions where the practicality of a more compact versatile instrument serves the needs more adequately. Finally, I do wish certain individuals would FULLY READ posts before girding their loins and launching an unwanted attack on individuals solely for the sake of promoting their own corner and prejudices. Taxi!!!!!

Further evidence that the only sound that the clergy like in " their" premises - is that of their own braying. Any excuse in fact to get rid of that " wretched expensive noise " ( to use my previous quote )

In view of the present situation I feel quite sure that the organ will be the last thing on the church authorities mind!

Yet another example of the work of one of our creators wonderful creations. Never mind, he/she/it loves us all if we believe what we have been told down the ages. Still it is bad news. Regarding repair and restoration; well they will just have to wait in the queue it would seem. Lucky it has not happened in blighty ( as yet ) the authorities would merely see it as " an exciting real estate venture ".

Yes, collapsing pipes are certainly the flavour of the moment! My only addition to this advanced metallurgical discussion would be along the lines of total weight of pipe and the surface area of the foot of the aforesaid pipe. There is a formulae by which this can be calculated and it results in the concentrated weight of the pipe at the foot which can be several tons. Intervening factors would of course still include the composition of the aforesaid pipe and any available support, plus the age. The same formulae can be applied believe to a ladies stiletto ( or mens ) Finally, with ref` to your other post re` organs and recital attendance and the getting rid of the wretched things here is a true story regarding the fate of a large four manual instrument which contained a couple of stops by Cavaille- Coll and Schulze no less. This noble instrument was located in a very large church with a spire in Yorkshire and was known to me in my younger days since the organist there was a friend of my father and I was lucky enough to hear it on several occasions .Anyway ,to make a long story shorter years later there was a break in and the pipework was stolen. The local constabulary apprehended the thief and returned the pipework to the church. Was it reinstated? No way, the incumbent flogged it off to to a bona fide scrap dealer! c`est la vie. Nothing is sacred in life.

CORRECTION! This fool cannot even spell " fatwa " !!

Correct with regard to the number of recitals et.al. available, My essential point is that of the the inverse correlation between the massive capital cost of restoration/maintenance against the actual number of gluts on seats. If more people supported these events in person, which because of the present situation has not helped the cause, it would give added strength to the argument to retain and more importantly ,maintain these worthy instruments. Make no mistakes there are many incumbents who see this lack of interest/apathy as an ideal means of " getting rid of that wretched,noisy,expensive machine" and all that goes with it . Gives them more ammo to fire at their PCC meetings No good banging on about " our wonderful heritage " if the " supporters remain glued to their armchairs.

Agree completely. The article ,penned by a person for whom I hold in high regard but in this instance I was nearly crying into my coffee with the overflowing sentiments expressed. I think my comments which I have just posted on the Albert Hall thread can apply here without the necessity to reiterate. You sir are a brave man on here daring to mention the " D " word. I had the impudence to mention this word in one of my early postings on this site and I think the fatwah is still in place!

Yes, good point about the bicentenary. One has to say though that amongst the organ fraternity Willis 1,2,3 have certainly inculcated the wrath of generations of organists; but that applies , I think. to a number of organ type people; even the " all bow down to the great god Cavaille-Coll " who have openly accused him of " organ heresy", to name but one. Before the boiling oil and molten lead is put on the boiler for me I state here and now to be a staunch Willis/ Cavaille -Coll admirer ;warts and all. Talking of molten lead reminds me of one of our posters here on this subject who must have been covertly referring to Willis , who stated that the composition of the pipe metal of the AH organ must have been down to " the builder ". Pretty obvious observation if ever there was one. Willis was a craftsmen, no doubt of that but he was first and foremost a businessman. If he saw an opportunity to cut his costs to increase his profits then like any good Victorian businessman he would do so. I have heard that some of the " timber " used in the present day rebuild of the Alexandra Palace instrument is of MDFB grade. Also I don`t think for a moment Willis, or any other organ builder for that matter would ever have envisaged that generations down the line would be bothering to even consider restoring their creations, which are amongst other inventions very much products of that highly creative epoch. I am now firmly driving my own hand cart to hell but never mind, The present day upshot is that millions have, and are being been spent on renovating worthy instruments which, unfortunately, under the present situation, is highly likely to continue for a considerable period of time - will never function to their full intended purpose. I will not bang on about recital attendances past, present, or even future. I await the firing squad with my usual degree of stoicism!

So, translated into Standard English - a bodge up.

Thanks for that; yes, Williams, not Holst. Same point made by myself still applies.

Microphones? well, if they were then I certainly have full admiration for the technical brilliance of the sound engineer! My overall impression of the concerto was that it was quite good; the Holst though is definitely showing signs of being from an almost forgotten age.

Perusing the RT just happened to notice that the "new" organ is going to be aired a couple of times.

Sad but would appear on the face of it to be a " perfect passing "; very Viern(e)ish.

I have only " attended" one on line funeral. Was a strange experience but it was filmed very discreetly; one also had to provide a code to " log in ", for obvious reasons. Personally, with the greatest respect, I feel that this " event" should have been conducted in the same way. Roger Fisher was a marvellous musician; but more importantly he was a very nice man. If we are not personally invited to the send off of a person we do not know closely, or we are not related to, then the best way, in my opinion, is to remember them spiritually - not via the intrusive means of digital intervention; HOS , and their ilk, fall into a different category altogether In parting though I must say that overall the standard of music performed was well above that which we were " entertained " with at a recent send off.

All fair comment here on this somewhat contentious issue. I think it best if we back off the issue really since it is no more than a sticking record. I will just finish by saying I think that the whole matter has always been fuelled by politics and courting popularity; a twin headed beast fed on a diet of cronyism and clout. I reckon most of us on this forum, and within wider society, have all paid our dues in full into the domestic trough, which is sufficient enough reason to " gong " us ; but , there we go.l Just hope I don`t get banned for my doggrel! As a final diversion, I have to say that I am most impressed with the cd of Rochdale town Hall and the marvellous playing of one of Our Members - I nominate DB for a gong ..........TAXI!.................

Would have thought that just being selected to provide the music would have been a sufficient accolade. " honours " are merely political inventions,nothing more, nothing less. What does one do with a gong anyway? Wear it when you pop out to Tesco perhaps?