heva
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Is there any news on Worcester, lately?
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Before anyone considers carting the Worcester Diaphones off to Cologne, when they rightfully belong in the Hope Jones Museum in Manchester, they might like to consider the problems of size and weight before hanging them off a wall:-
Didn't mean THEM as chamades ofcourse, but I remember the (oldKlais) organ loft being quite spacious. There could be room for it, and a Vox balenae 64' is already made there, so maybe they could beef things up even 'weiter' ...
BTW. Compton also says "None the less, I consider the diaphone a most valuable and desirable voice, comparable in importance with the tympani of the orchestra"
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To return to the Diaphones, no one is going to seriously suggest fog horns on a pedal organ, and Worcester has perfectly fine 32 foot stops, which is exactly why they were disconnected. Diaphones are not needed, what on earth would we use them for!? and why!!!???
foghorns: Well, maybe not quite. The diaphone seems to be 'invented' as an organstop, then just a little later also in use as a foghorn. Isn't that nice: an organstop that travels outside?
Anyway I'm very curious what it sounds like, and if Worcester can't keep it: let's bring it to the mainland! Maybe the Dom in Cologne can use it, I've heard rumours that there are plans for a chamadedivision above main entrance at 1000mm windpressure....
http://www.terrypepper.com/lights/closeups...ne/diaphone.htm
an article on the diaphone titled 'Seeing the light' .... 
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I will repeat my offer, that should anyone be interested, I have quite an interesting article about Czech organ-music, with sound samples and pretty pictures, should anyone be interested. I am also revising a similar pair of articles about Polish and Hungarian organ-history and musical culture.
MM
Sounds interesting, can't you put on a website somewhere (i.e. downloadable in read-only non-printable PDF)?
I've got some Czech music in my collection, must say it looks interesting!
and quite difficult
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Here is a sample of a Physharmonika:
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That is equally gorgeous....I want it!
Actually, this will delight Pierre. There was an Aneesens organ from Belgium in St.Joseph's RC church, Bradford, which had an equally beautiful and haunting Clarinet to that quoted by Pierre.
I wonder if that too was a free-reed type?
Sadly, I almost wept when I learned that the instrument had been broken up and discarded....that Clarinet was priceless.
Regards,
MM
Although I think this klarinette sounds nice, I'm more impressed by the 'clarinet' sound that John Scott produced on CD at St.Paul's in Duruflé's Alain (interlude part) - anyone who knows what stop that was?
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One new stop recently introduces can be found here http://www.orgelsite.nl/kerken42/apeldoorn.htm
It is the "Schrijfhout 1st.", to be translated in English as something as 'wooden writing thing 1 rank'.
But don't we know it's sound already (falling between the pedal keys, aching your knee when trying to catch it (in vain), bumping your head when get up again after fetching it ;-) ) ...
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Mind you, Hope-Jones name meets with a growing interest in Europe.
It's just a matter of time until the the historicists have arrived at the H-J era, isn't it?
Then we'll have diaphones all over the place
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Nobody on the continent has ever heard H-J's Diaphones. They are still there at Worcester -disabled, but there-. Yes, I heard many arguments "that's good for ships, etc". But having them restored does not imply their mandatory use everytime. And we stupid foreigners could, while in U.K., pay a special visit to hear these strange things.
Are these ideas so "special"?
Just wondering if Dijon really has got one:
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Yeah I agree there about Worcester. I heard it recently on a broadcast of evensong and it sounds very poor. I think the Organist played Vierne's hymn from the 24 pieces fantaisies. Very poor tonally screamy mixtures and overvoiced reeds which made the whole thing sound like a fart machine.
That the/an organ doesn't as good as it could does'n't mean (in my view) that it has been messed around with.
Maybe the organist is just playing the wrong music with the wrong registrations, or the broadcast is just terrible (as in Holland mostly ...).
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You may find what you want here:
http://infopuq.uquebec.ca/~uss1010/orgues/...ep.html#English
Best wishes,
Pierre Lauwers
Strange that this elaborate source doesn't mention the late Yves Devernay (who passed away in 1990). He was the fourth titular of NDdP after PC.
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Why not?
Benoît XVI spends his vacations playing piano, so there is
hope for an improvment in musical matters...
Best wishes,
Pierre Lauwers
Indeed, why didn't they get the chance ... Perhaps Mr.Mander could make a proposition
But you're right, things may change for the better, when (also) Beneditus' elder brother is a professional churchmusician (Regensburger Dom?).
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I'm not sure if it was a 'story', but ACC did make a proposal, which I consider a shame that he didn't get the chance to realise it:
http://www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/schemes/props/rome.htm
Looking at the size of the instrument, i'd say he was even 'modest' (just think the kind of beasts americans or vandenheuvels would have stuffed up there ....)
Imagine a Willis or Hill sized for St.Peters ...
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The story goes that there was to be a five manual Cavaille Coll in St Peters, on the west wall. However, a new floor materialised, and no Cavaille Coll!!!! The present organ is ok, and it suits the more accompanimental role of the Catholic tradition well, being ideal for choirs etc, but of course is never going to fill the church in the way an organ could. I think it is enough for the use it is put to however, but hopeless for big congregations, and lets face it with St Peters being literally THE father church of the world, that ought to be a consideration.
I'm not sure if it was a 'story', but ACC did make a proposal, which I consider a shame that he didn't get the chance to realise it:
http://www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/schemes/props/rome.htm
Looking at the size of the instrument, i'd say he was even 'modest' (just think the kind of beasts americans or vandenheuvels would have stuffed up there ....)
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Can anyone tell me where I can find the specifications of the instruments in St Peters Rome, I have searched the internet with little or no sucess.
http://www.die-orgelseite.de/orgelliste_land_stadt.htm
Check for Rom Bsilica S. Pietro (264), it comes with a (ugly little) picture too.
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This said, I did not hear Doesburg.
I think one should take care in referencing Doesburg; the Walcker that is now there wasn't built for that church, but a totally different kind of church in Rotterdam (the former Nieuw Zuiderkerk to be precise: http://home.hetnet.nl/~peterdillingh/rdam3.htm).
The people I know who have played the organ in its original home, state that it has lost quite substantially in it's new home.
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So the problems could arise if one wishes, for instance, to have a Tuba on
a complete Solo division. Or it needs a seperate chest within this division.
I found this about the Diaphone. It's a paper by John Compton that might be
interesting (he even cites Worcester):
Interesting, but (sorry to ask) what does such a diaphone actually sound like? Reed-like or flue-like (either case very low and 'fat')?.
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For those who didn't know yet, it has arrived:
http://www.priory.org.uk/Catalogue/organ_m...ons/prcd859.htm
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I also agree with Mr. Mander as far as the organ is concerned, but sometimes I wonder if there is a (positive) result to be expected in a combination between a large 'real' organ and electronics (like synthesizers) that are not used as replicas (or replacements) but produce there 'own sound' and somehow dialogue with the organ (... thinking of the Ondes Martenot in Messiaens Turangalila ...).
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Yes, I like the sound of the organ from the 1970s, too!
I must confess that I cannot now see the point of re-instating the old console - apart from the fact that quite a few stops would have to be omitted (from the Pedale Orgue, in particular), because there is simply no room on the terraces, I doubt if pistons could be fitted in the key-slips, due to action and height restrictions.
I presume you have some of the Cochereau improvisation CDs - or do you have him only playing repertoire? I expexct you are aware of the Solstice site, administered by Francois and Yvette Carbou, but if not, I can easily provide the address for it online.
I didn't quite mean a re-instate of the old console, but more having built a new console based on the looks of the old one but for the 'setup' of the current instrument - must be possible (hmm, maybe a kind of 'VW new beetle' thing ....).
Thanks for the Solstice mentioning (got 'm all ...), do you have the Philips recordings?
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I agree on the Cochereau console: the organ was 'restored' in way that fits the era (electricity, neo-classical elements etc.) ánd (vision of) the titulaire (I personally like the organ in early 1970's Cochereau recordings).
I'm not sure if the computerizing of '92 adds up much, but I think that in our time the instrument may fit the use we need from it wíth respect ot its history and identity. So, I would have liked to see the instrument returned to is pre-war composition, with a copy of the old console (respect for the monument) where electronics for registration/replay etc. for practical use in a very busy schedule could well be provided (convenience).
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Well, Ely might be something like a red flag in front of a bull to me...
Because the 1908 H & H was soooo interesting !
I heard it in 1978, so in its 1970 state, and what really impressed
as a "newbie" from the continent was the 1908 Cornet de Viols
on the Solo division.
Apart from the german "Harmonia aetherea" -of which no one remains-
the sole place to find that was the late-romantic english organ.
Why not buy some french organs from France and, reversely,
build english organ for us here?
I'd like to see -and hear!-
-The Samuel Green type
-The William Hill type (not fully romantic yet, with choruses aplenty)
-The Willis I type
-The Willis III type
-The H & H type about 1910
-A modern interpretation of the english organ by Mr Mander
So there are many, mant things possible; I even forgot Smith and Harris, England,
older types that are not my cup of Tea but might interest others.
I believe one of the reasons why english builders do not get contracts in continental Europe may be a lack of interest in the english organ by the english themselves...
Best wishes,
Pierre Lauwers.
Well, in Holland there's a growing interest in english organs:
http://www.organist.nl/wcms/modules/news/a...php?storyid=244
http://www.organist.nl/wcms/modules/news/a...php?storyid=285
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The RC Cathedral-Church is on the same marketplace as the 'Grote Kerk'. The Grote Kerk was originally a RC 'collegiate' church until the reformation took place; from then on it has been a protestant church. Just for the record - it has never been a Cathedral. Breda has a his own bishop since 1853, the first cathedral being the St.Antoniuskerk on the greatmarketplace, the second was the huge neo-gothic church near the harbour (with a very large 32' Anneessens organ - both now dstroyed), the third was a 1950's church in a suburb and the fourth is ('from there and back again') the church of St.Antony of Padua in the very centre at the great market place. The organ is built by Loret (1858), rebuild by Maarschalkerweerd (+/-1910). In the near future it needs a considerable renovation.
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I've visited the organ early september 2000, after knowing about it for many years by recordings. In situ the organ is incredible: the 'fonds d'orgue', 'basse de tierce' and the 'grands jeux' (with chamades) - I just couldn't believe my ears, a very rich almost aristocratic sound, very powerfull, nut never intimidating or harsh, the chamades really shining like the sun (well maybe the overall southern france atmosphere and splendid wether influences here also :-)).
If you can: go there, and also try to meet Mr. Bardon who is a very friendly and timid yet proud servant of the organ.
an article on the diaphone titled 'Seeing the light' .... 
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Worcester Cathedral's Organ
in The Organ
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Did you mean the Christie (4/35) from the Regal Theatre, Marble Arch?
Nice
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