sbarber49
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I thought that the psalm was introduced in Series 2 (it wasn't in Series one).
I don't think there has ever been a formal instruction about the Doxology after the psalm at the Eucharist but as the RSCM puts it (in its Music for Common Worship 1) "It is customary to omit the doxology at the end of the psalm after the first reading at Holy Communion".
Thanks, all, for your responses.
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I have always understood that there should be no Gloria after the psalm at a Eucharist service. However when I confidently announced this at choir practice last week, one of the singers - a new member and one of the ministry team - told me I was wrong. "I've never, ever, sung a psalm without the Gloria". Over the years I have played in many cathedrals and I can't remember ever playing a Gloria after a Eucharist psalm but I have failed to find anything on the internet to back this up.
It's not an issue for many parish churches, I shouldn't think, as we mostly use responsorial psalms which, as far as I'm aware, never have a Gloria attached. I don't think there ever was a psalm, or Old Testament reading for that matter, at a communion service before Series 2, was there?
Can anyone confirm if I'm right - or not? If Glorias are not usually sung at this point, why not? Is there a liturgical reason? Is there anything on the internet about it?
In our case it isn't an issue anyway as the psalm we were practising will be sung during the communion, as an "anthem", so I presume there are no liturgical considerations which cover that.
Piddling post, I know - but shows I'm still interested in the forum!
Stephen
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I don't often post anything - not being confident that my ill-informed opinions are of any value. However I find this forum very valuable and get lots of information from it that I couldn't get anywhere else. PLEASE keep it open!
I'm not sure that the number of posts is any measure of a forum's usefulness. I used to be on a US forum which had huge numbers of posts - so many I abandoned it - but the posts were of very little interest.
A way of showing that we found a particular post helpful would be useful, I think.
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To slightly misquote Douglas in the wonderful 'Cabin Pressure' on Radio 4: "It's not a long piece, is it?"
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On 18/04/2023 at 15:17, sbarber49 said:
Latest release date is 31st July 2023!
Now 29th September 2023
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How does Gloucester compare to Christchurch, Oxford, and Trinity, Cambridge as an accompanying instrument? I haven't played either of these but didn't find Gloucester too difficult. I also found it a wonderful organ for organ music.
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On 16/09/2015 at 09:54, Richard Fairhurst said:
As a very belated followup to this topic, would-be purchasers of hymnbooks might be interested to learn that a new version, the Revised English Hymnal, is in preparation. Publication is expected in 2017.
Latest release date is 31st July 2023!
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Sorry - accidental duplicate post - don't know how to delete it!
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2 hours ago, Shropshire Lad said:
I well remember my thoughtful organ teacher telling me that churches contain some of the most unchristian like people I’ve ever met. That was 35 years ago and it sounds that not much has changed!
Well I have to say that I haven't found that and I have been, and am, connected to various churches. Of course churches are Christian families and all families have different opinions and have disagreements. I find that those people who come to church now are the committed ones and I find none perfect but most of us try hard to follow Christ and his teachings.
I find the sort of comment above rather insulting and I'm not sure I'd find the teacher you quote quite as thoughtful as you do!
No doubt my experience is different to yours.
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Sad to hear of the death of David Lumsden.
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Good news for Belfast Cathedral: Jack Wilson appointed Master of the Music.
https://www.belfastcathedral.org/news/jack-wilson-appointed-as-master-of-music-at-belfast-cathedral
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Fair enough. I understand that. I was just not sure why this particular cathedral organist was described as having "styled himself Dr. ............".
If he was given an Honorary Doctorate he wasn't doing anything wrong or deceitful by doing so and was entitled to be addressed as Dr. Whether or not he should have been given the honour or, indeed, if there should be such things as honorary doctorates is a different issue and I have sympathy with your views on that.
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5 hours ago, S_L said:
There used to be a Cathedral organist who styled himself Dr. ........................... He had an Hon D, Mus. and hadn't even been through the mill at a half decent University!! In truth he wasn't much of a player either!
I don't really understand this. If he was offered and accepted an honorary doctorate why wouldn't he call himself Doctor?
If you're saying that he shouldn't have been given the doctorate - or should have refused it - that's a rather different issue, I think.
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I have the Dover edition (though there may be a newer one). It's fine, but the print is small. I find 2-stave versions of the chorale preludes are fine, especially as many are playable either manuals only or with pedals (often for the chorale melody). Perhaps makes them more adaptable.
I must admit I don't play many of Pachelbel's chorale preludes - they can be a bit dull. Trevor picked most of the best ones!
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2 hours ago, Dafydd y Garreg Wen said:
Having played this piece before evensong just now, I see that it’s the second verse that Trevor prints.
It's the first verse in Seasonal Chorale preludes (Vol 1, for manuals).
Thank you for the link. I'm glad to see there is another verse and will add it to my Advent repertoire (though I don't play for enough Advent services to fit many pieces in - especially when the bells only finish ringing 45 seconds before the service, as they did this morning. Just got Bach's Nun Komm' from the Orgelbuchlein in.
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Here's a few more - I don't know any more by earlier composers:
ROBERT G. PATTERSON: https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/4/40/IMSLP239547-PMLP387796-ChoralePrelude-Wachet_auf.pdf
Heinrich Schmidt: https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/c/c1/IMSLP167498-PMLP298242-Schmidt_Wachet_auf_09.pdf
Gaël Liardon A little neo-Baroque fugue): https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/b/b6/IMSLP304203-PMLP492219-Wachet_auf,_ruft_uns_die_Stimme_-_fuguette.pdf
Reger (easier than the Fantasia! It's on page 85): https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/9/9c/IMSLP229808-SIBLEY1802.19547.dd73-39087012035418_op._67.pdf
Reger - (even easier! also in Marsden Thomas's "The Church Year"): https://s9.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/8/83/IMSLP201428-PMLP14237-Reger,_Max,_30_Kleine_Choralvorspiele,_Op.135a,_Simrock-Peters1915.pdf
Piutti (No 169): https://imslp.org/wiki/200_Chorale_Preludes,_Op.34_(Piutti,_Carl)
And the RSCM "Sunday by Sunday" planner recomends one by Rinck, in Sonntags Orgel lll (Barenreiter)
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1 hour ago, Contrabombarde said:
I've done this lovely Krebs a few times with a good trumpeter though if very brave AND talented you could play trumpet with one hand and organ with feet and other hand (someone's done it on Youtube).
There's another version with trumpet and organ in the Miscellaneous Chorales book of the Barenreiter Bach (BWV Anh. 66)
There's a Vierstimmige Choralsatz version by Scheidt (from the Gorlitzer Tabulaturbuch): it's in the Peters Edition of "Ausgewahlte Werke). I haven't played it but having just found it I think I might try it on Sunday.
There's a Toccata-type piece by Miles l'A, Martin in book 4 of Anne Marsden Thomas's Graded Anthology. Quite a good piece.
And there's Dupre's little prelude in his "79 chorales"
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11 hours ago, David Cynan Jones said:
St John's announce appointment of Christopher Gray as Director of Music to succeed Andrew Nethsingha
https://www.sjcchoir.co.uk/news/st-john’s-college-announces-christopher-gray-its-new-director-music
He'll probably be happy to go with the Father Willis (Truro look-alike) planned organ.
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1 hour ago, MikeK said:
Any decent DIY shop should be able to supply suitable blocks to your measurements.
That's what I thought but I haven't yet found a shop that can do it. Any specific shops?
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Can anyone suggest where I could get blocks for my organ bench? Mine is a little low and the books I'm currently using are not very stable.
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Martin belonged to a time when the RSCM Commissioners were able to visit individual churches and give encouragement and support and he came to my churches several times over the years. He was a superb motivator and trainer of boy singers and I have many happy memories of singing with, and occasionally accompanying, the Southern Cathedral Singers. A lovely person and a fine musician.
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Words and melody editions to be released on 30th April 2023
Psalms at the Eucharist
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Hymns weren't mentioned in Series one, however if they had added a psalm as part of the liturgy, I think the booklet would have said so. I could be wrong, though. I don't think Series One lasted long.
I think the point about omitting the Gloria is that it is always sung or said) at the end of the psalm at Morning and Evening Prayer, as part of the cycle of psalms. As it says in the BCP 1662: "And at the end of every Psalm throughout the year, and likewise in the end of Benedicite, Benedictus, Magnificat, and Nunc dimittis, shall be repeated: Glory be to the Father, and to the Son: and to the Holy Ghost; As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be: world without end. Amen.).
However this is not normally the case with the psalm between the Old Testament reading and the Epistle at the communion service, hence the the RSCM instruction - i.e.at all other services the Gloria is added but not at the communion service.