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Peter Clark    0

Would it be a good idea for forum members to advertise here recitals they are giving in the near future so that others in their area (or even beyond) could come along to offer support and maybe even raise a glass or two afterwards? Just a thought.....

 

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David Coram    0
Would it be a good idea for forum members to advertise here recitals they are giving in the near future so that others in their area (or even beyond) could come along to offer support and maybe even raise a glass or two afterwards? Just a thought.....

 

Peter

 

What a splendid idea! I have been looking for an excuse to mention Romsey Abbey Recitals - season tickets now available, weekend breaks arranged for those coming from further afield! (Pierre?) First one is Friday May 4th.

 

I don't know whether Mr Cynic will thank me or not, but anyone knocking around the SW may not be aware of his imminent appearance at Portsmouth and Bristol Cathedrals - as anyone who came to Marlborough will testify, these would be well worth the journey - particularly the Portsmouth one, at a guess. Organrecitals.com has details.

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Peter Clark    0
What a splendid idea! I have been looking for an excuse to mention Romsey Abbey Recitals - season tickets now available, weekend breaks arranged for those coming from further afield! (Pierre?) First one is Friday May 4th.

 

I don't know whether Mr Cynic will thank me or not, but anyone knocking around the SW may not be aware of his imminent appearance at Portsmouth and Bristol Cathedrals - as anyone who came to Marlborough will testify, these would be well worth the journey - particularly the Portsmouth one, at a guess. Organrecitals.com has details.

 

Indeed David, thanks for that! And let us not forget the Westminster Cathedral Organ Festival starting soon.....

 

Peter

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What a splendid idea! I have been looking for an excuse to mention Romsey Abbey Recitals - season tickets now available, weekend breaks arranged for those coming from further afield! (Pierre?) First one is Friday May 4th.

 

I don't know whether Mr Cynic will thank me or not, but anyone knocking around the SW may not be aware of his imminent appearance at Portsmouth and Bristol Cathedrals - as anyone who came to Marlborough will testify, these would be well worth the journey - particularly the Portsmouth one, at a guess. Organrecitals.com has details.

 

 

Ooh, you nice man!! Oh, you certainly get thanked for that one.

P.

 

(my) recital programmes can be found detailed here

http://pic6.piczo.com/PAULDERRETT/?g=18570176

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churchmouse    0

I think that's a great idea and here's another thought.

I have a links page that you can add your own websites to - I'd encourage you to add them as they are among the most visited pages of our website. the trick is to navigate to the category that you want (so not only dig down to organist, but go to the correct initial letter, and then submit your link - bit of a trick I admit but beyond my pathetic control at the moment. The rest is easy. You can add any favourite website you like in fact! (apart from Norty ones and those with tofu recipes - yuk)

the more sites the merrier, really.

Have a look and add your own: DIY organ links page

cheers

Jenny

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David Coram    0

Friday 4th May - 7.30pm - Romsey Abbey

Daniel Trocme Latter

Mendelssohn, Stanford, Franck, Howells, JSB St Anne P&F

 

Video screen will be up. All will be extremely good if anyone's local.

 

David

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pcnd5584    0
Friday 4th May - 7.30pm - Romsey Abbey

Daniel Trocme Latter

Mendelssohn, Stanford, Franck, Howells, JSB St Anne P&F

 

Video screen will be up. All will be extremely good if anyone's local.

 

David

 

 

VIDEO SCREEN?!!

 

:P

 

AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

 

(Could it be temporarily 'broken' on 10th August, please, David?)

 

:P

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David Coram    0
VIDEO SCREEN?!!

 

:P

 

AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!!

 

(Could it be temporarily 'broken' on 10th August, please, David?)

 

:P

 

No, it could not! Powerpoint presentations all ready to go, and (fingers crossed) there'll be an Action Camera a la 21st Century Bach. No bees though (or whatever they are), and no Cymbelstern.

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pcnd5584    0
No, it could not! Powerpoint presentations all ready to go, and (fingers crossed) there'll be an Action Camera a la 21st Century Bach. No bees though (or whatever they are), and no Cymbelstern.

 

In which case, could the recitals budget run to providing a brown paper bag (the type which supermarkets supply for frozen goods) with two eye-holes made, in order that I can retain strict anonymity?

 

.. and, I am sorry, but I will not agree to having a camera stuffed in my face - or suspended from a balloon....

 

:P

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David Coram    0
In which case, could the recitals budget run to providing a brown paper bag (the type which supermarkets supply for frozen goods) with two eye-holes made, in order that I can retain strict anonymity?

 

.. and, I am sorry, but I will not agree to having a camera stuffed in my face - or suspended from a balloon....

 

:P

 

No. 3 cameras - feet, hands, whole console, all at a discreet distance. The less fuss you make, the less likely it is that I shall obtain a photograph of you as a child for the powerpoint slideshow...

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No. 3 cameras - feet, hands, whole console, all at a discreet distance. The less fuss you make, the less likely it is that I shall obtain a photograph of you as a child for the powerpoint slideshow...

 

Oh God - pease not the naked one beside the camel....

 

:P

 

 

Incidentally, you were going to telephone me yesterday. We are fairly desperate to know about dates.

 

I could have told you that Morse dies (again), by the way - and saved you the time.

 

:P

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120 notes in the top octave? The mind boggles!

 

Paul

 

 

 

It's a most interesting (even exciting) organ (St.Michael's Abertillery), standing in a splendid acoustic, but in this case, the apparent startling claim (referred to above) is merely a dull typo.

 

Reading the specification it will be clear to anyone here that a lot seems to have been changed about. The most recent work (with which I was involved) has gone into straightening out a number of previous interventions (IMHO some of these border on vandalism). I won't name names, but one person responsible is now (God help us!) a Diocesan Organs Adviser.

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120 notes in the top octave? The mind boggles!

 

Paul

 

Oh dear! Now corrected. :rolleyes:

 

Thanks Paul D for your elucidation!

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Oh dear! Now corrected. :rolleyes:

 

Thanks Paul D for your elucidation!

 

I withdraw my apology - just done some basic maths. The top 'octave' extends from C4 to A4; 12 original stops, plus a three-rank mixture, makes 120 pipes, hence 120 notes.

 

No apology then, just an elucidation, unless someone will correct my appalling maths! :lol:

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I withdraw my apology - just done some basic maths. The top 'octave' extends from C4 to A4; 12 original stops, plus a three-rank mixture, makes 120 pipes, hence 120 notes.

 

No apology then, just an elucidation, unless someone will correct my appalling maths! :lol:

 

Strictly, this is incorrect. Individual pipes are not counted - only the extra pallets. The information is, in any case, unclear; it is not apparent whether an extra octave of pipes is provided for each stop, or three extra pipes for each stop - or some other number. Instruments which have extra pipes for use with an octave coupler generally have a full octave for each stop (which does not always include stops above 4ft. pitch*). One example is the H&H instrument in Manchester Cathedral - apart from the Solo reeds and the Choir Clarinet, all stops on the four clavier divisions have an extra octave of pipes in the treble:

 

http://www.mancheste...k/organspec.pdf

 

The only exception which I can recall, is the H&H organ of Exeter Cathedral. Here, the Choir Lieblich Bourdon, Lieblich Gedeckt, Viola and Lieblich Flute each have three extra pipes (to take the compass up to 61 notes). These extra pipes are intended to be used in conjunction with the rare Octaves Alone coupler.

 

For the record, the appellation of 'A4' for the treble end of the claviers is presumably also a typographical error. At 61 notes, the designation is 'C4' - therefore, 'A4' would give a total of 70 notes.Since the three claviers are all listed as being of the same compass, I assume that the matter is unaffected by the extra Swell pipes.

 

Incidentally, if there are ten extra pipes for each stop, the total is actually one hundred and fifty - the Swell Organ, as given in the specification, has fifteen ranks, controlled by thirteen stops.

 

 

 

* The H&H organ of the RFH is an example of this. The Swell Organ has an extra octave of pipes in the treble of all 16ft., 8ft. and 4ft. stops.

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Strictly, this is incorrect. Individual pipes are not counted - only the extra pallets. The information is, in any case, unclear; it is not apparent whether an extra octave of pipes is provided for each stop, or three extra pipes for each stop - or some other number.

 

 

Always happy to be corrected - but you are correcting the builder's spec from 1910; while this may be incorrectly phrased, I wonder if there is a historical clash here: i.e. I may have committed an anachronism rather than an inaccuracy or terminological infelicity!

 

For the record, the appellation of 'A4' for the treble end of the claviers is presumably also a typographical error. At 61 notes, the designation is 'C4' - therefore, 'A4' would give a total of 70 notes.Since the three claviers are all listed as being of the same compass, I assume that the matter is unaffected by the extra Swell pipes.

 

 

I stand corrected on this! I do hope that your keen interest will mean we can look forward to welcoming you on the 20th June? Or perhaps even giving a recital later in the year? :rolleyes:

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For the record, the appellation of 'A4' for the treble end of the claviers is presumably also a typographical error. At 61 notes, the designation is 'C4' - therefore, 'A4' would give a total of 70 notes.

I sense a nest of hornets or, if you prefer, a can of worms here. I would normally use the designation C4 for middle C and the designation C7 for note 61, but I realise there are a number of other descriptions in use. Does the organ industry currently have a preferred system?

 

JC

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I sense a nest of hornets or, if you prefer, a can of worms here. I would normally use the designation C4 for middle C and the designation C7 for note 61, but I realise there are a number of other descriptions in use. Does the organ industry currently have a preferred system?

 

JC

 

Hi

 

The standard used on NPOR (as requested by the BIOS council) has the usual low C of manuals and pedals designated as "C". The next octave uses lower case (i.e. c-:rolleyes: middle c is then c1 and the top note of a 61 note manual is c4. 54 note keyboards are then C-a3, and the old English long compass runs from GG.

 

That's about as close to a standard as you can get in the UK. I@ve just about got used to it, having previously to working on NPOR used CC as the lowest manual note & CCC on pedals (see for example stop lists in old copies of "The Organ" and in many books.

 

Every Blessing

 

Tony

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I sense a nest of hornets or, if you prefer, a can of worms here. I would normally use the designation C4 for middle C and the designation C7 for note 61, but I realise there are a number of other descriptions in use. Does the organ industry currently have a preferred system?

 

JC

 

I do not know of anyone else who uses this numbering system. However, it is true that there are almost as many variations as there are spellings of the stop 'Crumhorn'.

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I do not know of anyone else who uses this numbering system. However, it is true that there are almost as many variations as there are spellings of the stop 'Crumhorn'.

 

 

Crumhorns.....pah!

Where is there a single piece of music that needs a Crumhorn?

 

A decent Cremona or a rich, full-blooded Cromorne perhaps..... but even then

I believe that as a species Crumhorns are (or at the very least have been) seriously over-rated.

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Crumhorns.....pah!

Where is there a single piece of music that needs a Crumhorn?

 

A decent Cremona or a rich, full-blooded Cromorne perhaps..... but even then

I believe that as a species Crumhorns are (or at the very least have been) seriously over-rated.

 

It depends on what type of sound you have in mind. Some builders (Walker, for example) seem to use the term as a general label for a full-blooded French-style stop. My own on the Positive is ideal for Couperin, etc. It is less than ideal for 'lining-out' a verse of a psalm, but I would not have it any other way.

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Or even C-f3. C-a3 is 58. Sorry!

 

Hi

 

That's what comes of replying too early in the morning after a disturbed night - and in too ch of a hurry!

 

Every Blessing

 

Tony

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