pcnd5584 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Anyone tempted by this? Notable features include: 32p stops on nearly every division (!?) Three 64p stops on the pedal (!!!?????) and for anyone who wants to be deafened in style the Last Trumpet 8p, on 200" pressure, will definately be the last trumpet you ever hear... JA Oh my God. Are these people serious? I wonder how it is being funded - or perhaps, why it is being funded.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Oh my God. Are these people serious? I wonder how it is being funded - or perhaps, why it is being funded.... Steady pc - check back a few posts!! A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Steady pc - check back a few posts!! A Ah - do you refer to post No. 21? I had missed this. So nothing to worry about then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazuin Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 "The G.O. Mixture - why? The Tierce rank (when it was present) usually dropped out after the first twelve notes, at which point it became a quint mixture. In any case, I doubt that it was much use in the bass." Unlike Southwark, here I can speak from extensive first-hand experience. The tierce in the bass is genius, it sets off the whole chorus, and especially gives the trumpet enormous drive in the bass. "Oh my God. Are these people serious? I wonder how it is being funded - or perhaps, why it is being funded...." Stephen Bicknell said he couldn't believe the number of people who asked him for directions to St Gladys de la Croix. I hope you'll forgive my wry smile at your reaction... Bazuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Humana Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 As someone pointed out to me privately, it even figures in the Pipe Organ entry on "simple English" version of Wikipedia: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ (though not in this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsoff Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I think you might be in for a long wait I must check my dictionary for "gullible"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 "The G.O. Mixture - why? The Tierce rank (when it was present) usually dropped out after the first twelve notes, at which point it became a quint mixture. In any case, I doubt that it was much use in the bass." Unlike Southwark, here I can speak from extensive first-hand experience. The tierce in the bass is genius, it sets off the whole chorus, and especially gives the trumpet enormous drive in the bass. How does it set off the whole chorus? This phrase needs amplification. Personally, when I have encountered it (and it was not always present) I found it mildly irritating. Neither did I find that it gave the bass of the 8ft. reed 'enormous drive'; (Hill generally favoured posaunes over trumpets for his G.O. reeds, incidentally). These reeds were often voiced on a slightly higher pressure than the fluework, usually 125mm. "Oh my God. Are these people serious? I wonder how it is being funded - or perhaps, why it is being funded...." Stephen Bicknell said he couldn't believe the number of people who asked him for directions to St Gladys de la Croix. I hope you'll forgive my wry smile at your reaction... Bazuin Good for you... In the first instance, perhaps you had not worked through quite such a tiring day as I had. Secondly, I still find it hard to understand why anyone would waste the time and energy in posting such a large non-existent scheme.... In any case, it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that somewhere in the U.S., someone is planning yet another very large instrument - with sections strewn over a wide area. After all, we have had the Sowerby Memorial Swell Organ (together with several other sections) - why not the Ethel Merman Tribute Solo Organ? I can think of a few organs in the U.S. which may not be as large as this scheme, nevertheless are probably considerably larger than they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Ah - do you refer to post No. 21? I had missed this. So nothing to worry about then.... That's good - 'was worried a medical team might be needed! A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 That's good - 'was worried a medical team might be needed! A It was late... and I was tired.... It had been a very long day - you know the type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyorgan Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 There appears to be no provision for a small portable chamber organ on which to accompany the Gibbons Verse Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 There appears to be no provision for a small portable chamber organ on which to accompany the Gibbons Verse Service. Your wish is my command.... MANUAL Stopped Diapason 8 Unda Maris (Undulant) 8 Principal 4 Nason Flute 4 Flageolet 2 Sesquialtera (19-24/12-17) II Not very interesting, though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Your wish is my command.... MANUAL Stopped Diapason 8 Unda Maris (Undulant) 8 Principal 4 Nason Flute 4 Flageolet 2 Sesquialtera (19-24/12-17) II Not very interesting, though.... Why ???? Here is a slightly different version: Open Diapason 8' Voce umana 8' Stopped Diapason 8' Principal 4' Nason Flute 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Fifteenth 2' Sesquialtera 2r 1 1/3'- 4/5'- 2 2/3'- 1 3/5' Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Why ???? Here is a slightly different version: Open Diapason 8' Voce umana 8' Stopped Diapason 8' Principal 4' Nason Flute 4' Twelfth 2 2/3' Fifteenth 2' Sesquialtera 2r 1 1/3'- 4/5'- 2 2/3'- 1 3/5' Pierre But there is no chamade, no 32ft. reed... and no mini-bar in a console recess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coram Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Neither did I find that it gave the bass of the 8ft. reed 'enormous drive'; (Hill generally favoured posaunes over trumpets for his G.O. reeds, incidentally). These reeds were often voiced on a slightly higher pressure than the fluework, usually 125mm. The majority of the Hill instruments I have encountered have been mechanical action, with only one wind pressure throughout. In virtaully all cases the Great reed, if present, has been called Trumpet, and in most cases the Mixture has had a tierce in the bass which does indeed set the trumpet off spectacularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The majority of the Hill instruments I have encountered have been mechanical action, with only one wind pressure throughout. In virtaully all cases the Great reed, if present, has been called Trumpet, and in most cases the Mixture has had a tierce in the bass which does indeed set the trumpet off spectacularly. If you have found this, David, fair enough. Equally fair enough, I have found the opposite to be true. In any case, Bazuin stated that the tierce in the bass set off the whole chorus - not the [bass of the] reed. I can think of a few instruments by Hill in which the G.O. reed was named 'Trumpet' - but I can recall far more where the term 'Posaune' was adopted. However, this is really nothing more than semantics, after all. Out of interest, what music were you performing which required you to play in the lowest octave of the G.O. clavier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Thorne Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 If I'd won the lottery I would do the following: 1. Donate to the British Heart Foundation 2. Donate to the Liverpool Cathedral organ fund 3. Get St Georgy Hall done too! 4. Set up a new and hopefully better British Organbuilding Institute that is geared to encourage younger members to join and partake in events FREE OF CHARGE until the age of 30. I would also encourage those firms who qualify as members to support and make available various courses in carpentry, electrician work and marketing and any other aspect of the Organbuilding trade. The institute would also allow funding for trainee organ builders to be paid a decent wage (I wasn't) and extra funding to travel in order to experience different cultures in organbuilding - have many of us has stepped inside a Cavaillé-Coll? As a result of this it would secure the future of organbuilding in the British Isles in the way in which we can be equally compared to the rest of Europe and the USA. 5. If I have enough left over I might get myself a pint of Real Ale - www.camra.org.uk for those who are interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roffensis Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Oh my God. Are these people serious? I wonder how it is being funded - or perhaps, why it is being funded.... When one thinks of the many very fine and unique organs eg RFH, AP, SGH, Selby Abbey to mention just three that should all be fully restored and which lack funds to do so, one feels a real sense of loss for words. When I see such abominations and over indulgent specifications , I see a gross waste of money. I thought we had moved on from these huge overblown foghorns masquerading as organs, and how much consideration is given to how they will be restored in the future? Think of the future outlays involved. As to wind pressures, well no comment. It's funny. I was taught not how many stops to draw and get away with, but how few. I was lucky, as I had a good teacher. If you put me in front of say Atlantic City Hall (another over large liability with as much musicality as the QE2 IMHO) I would not thank you for it. I would not bother with it, or its like. Music should always come first, not gimmickry and the "ours is bigger than yours" mentality. Some of my favourite organs are Rotherhithe, Liverpool Met, Canterbury, Hereford, RFH, Gloucester, Brompton Oratory, Wimborne, Romsey, Chichester etc, and in all cases they are musical instruments quite different from each other, but with voices that speak with clarity and colour and are all immensely musical. I seriously believe we are again losing our way. The 60/70s "back to Bach" ideal has largely petered out, to be replaced by the hideous Edwardian era of loud, loud and more loud. Big and bigger. Why? R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roffensis Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Liverpool Cathedral H Oh YES, indeed, and how. But back to 1960 please. The 1960 job? Magnificent!! Glorious even!! One hopes R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 It is surprising that it still seems, in 2009, impossible to like one kind of organ without disliking others ! I myself claim the right to like as well a little baroque Positive organ as this one: Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innate Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 When one thinks of the many very fine and unique organs eg RFH, AP, SGH, Selby Abbey to mention just three that should all be fully restored and which lack funds to do so, one feels a real sense of loss for words. When I see such abominations and over indulgent specifications , I see a gross waste of money. Why? It's a joke, Roffensis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Richell Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 If I'd won the lottery I would do the following: 1. Donate to the British Heart Foundation 2. Donate to the Liverpool Cathedral organ fund 3. Get St Georgy Hall done too! 4. Set up a new and hopefully better British Organbuilding Institute that is geared to encourage younger members to join and partake in events FREE OF CHARGE until the age of 30. I would also encourage those firms who qualify as members to support and make available various courses in carpentry, electrician work and marketing and any other aspect of the Organbuilding trade. The institute would also allow funding for trainee organ builders to be paid a decent wage (I wasn't) and extra funding to travel in order to experience different cultures in organbuilding - have many of us has stepped inside a Cavaillé-Coll? As a result of this it would secure the future of organbuilding in the British Isles in the way in which we can be equally compared to the rest of Europe and the USA. 5. If I have enough left over I might get myself a pint of Real Ale - www.camra.org.uk for those who are interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Richell Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I agree with the list but I would also include Cancer research. Providing money for restoration of the nominated instruments would depend very much on which organ builder was chosen to undertake the work. If the people involved with the nominated organs were insisting on a particular organ builder I did not approve of, for various reasons then sorry, no money. I feel that I would have that right. Colin Richell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazuin Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Perhaps the contributors who have vented their spleens at St Gladys de la Croix might like to read the whole story? Part the First: http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...G-L&P=R9321 Part the Second: http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...-L&P=R10667 Part the Third: http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...-L&P=R11049 Part the Fourth: http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...-L&P=R11486 and some fantastic postscripts: http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...G-L&P=R4932 http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...G-L&P=R5766 http://list.uiowa.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A2=in...G-L&P=R6931 I hope this truly brilliant work of organ fiction brightens up your day! Bazuin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roffensis Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 It's a joke, Roffensis. Oh!! R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roffensis Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I hope this truly brilliant work of organ fiction brightens up your day! Bazuin Great stuff from a very clever man. R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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