Philip Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I bought this piece ages ago and have had a couple of play-throughs but have never given it a public outing. Its well within my grasp - its not that difficult and I'd have thought it should be well-received by the congregation. The bit that puts off is the ending. I have the Novello edition (I think - would have to check in church) which is a reprint and some small notes have been added to the end (the large notes end on a pretty feeble pp) but I've never made much sense of it. Is there a recognised way to give this piece a satisfying ending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusingMuso Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I bought this piece ages ago and have had a couple of play-throughs but have never given it a public outing. Its well within my grasp - its not that difficult and I'd have thought it should be well-received by the congregation. The bit that puts off is the ending. I have the Novello edition (I think - would have to check in church) which is a reprint and some small notes have been added to the end (the large notes end on a pretty feeble pp) but I've never made much sense of it. Is there a recognised way to give this piece a satisfying ending? ================== Trust Diane Bishtp put on a show:- Then there's the Sheffiel.....sorry....Cavaille-Coll version: all vulgar reeds, high kicks and garters:- There's the special "Happy Clappy" version, of course:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwOQT3ASuNo...feature=related I tihnk the arpeggios work well personally, but does it matter? It's so loud and bombastic, the place will be empty before you get to the last page. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiratutti Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Hello, Is there a recognised way to give this piece a satisfying ending? Möseler published a version edited by Wolfgang Stockmeier. The last 4 bars (bar 108 2nd beat - 111) are marked and forte. This is what Diane Bish plays. Cheers tiratutti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlowOrg Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I had no idea that there is a pp ending in any of the editions available. This obviously isn't the case here: http://216.129.110.22/files/imglnks/usimg/...thode-II-27.pdf Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Posted March 20, 2011 Author Share Posted March 20, 2011 Sorry if I've confused the issue - in my edition the big notes stop at the first note of the fourth to last bar (bottom D) and there are some extra notes but they are small notes - probably quite similar to those in the edition you link to. It seems very odd to me to have that bottom D and then just come in with three extra bars which bear little relation to what has gone before. Ah well... Btw, I enjoyed(?!!) the third of MM's links - there is a Widor 5 version uploaded by the same chap too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusingMuso Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Btw, I enjoyed(?!!) the third of MM's links - there is a Widor 5 version uploaded by the same chap too! ==================== I'd kill that drummer. He's completely artless; not that drummers usually know much about music. He's about as annoying as those kids who get a tin drum for Christmas. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsoff Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Peter Wright's new CD from Southwark Cathedral features this piece and the ending is quite different from any I've heard before and is, IMHO, very effective and enjoyable. He ends with a unison cadence with almost jazz-like grace notes finishing on bottom D. Simple and fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bombarde32 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 ==================== I'd kill that drummer. He's completely artless; not that drummers usually know much about music. He's about as annoying as those kids who get a tin drum for Christmas. :angry: MM Completely agree - a GOOD drummer should be able to get a decent Latin American rhythm into Balfour-Gardiner's 'Evening Hymn', at the very least........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusingMuso Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Completely agree - a GOOD drummer should be able to get a decent Latin American rhythm into Balfour-Gardiner's 'Evening Hymn', at the very least........ ================ Oh, I do that sort of thing on the organ when I don't like the hymn tune! The other week the priest announced the St Patrick's Day dance, and I don't think anyone picked out the theme of the following improvisation over the famous chorale, which includes the words:- "You put your left leg in; your left leg out; your left leg in and you shake it all about." Life can be so dull if we don't do something about it. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevington Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Peter Wright's new CD from Southwark Cathedral features this piece and the ending is quite different from any I've heard before and is, IMHO, very effective and enjoyable. He ends with a unison cadence with almost jazz-like grace notes finishing on bottom D. Simple and fun. The Fanfare is included in 'The Organists' Manual' by Roger E Davis, and in this instance ends with the grace notes you mention, but it is printed separately as 'the original ending'. At the bottom of the page a note tells us "The ending enclosed in brackets is suggested by the author, the original by Lemmens was for pedals alone . Different endings for this piece may be found in other editions". In other words Davis adds his own ending in small notes (in brackets) at the end of the piece, and the grace note ending by Lemmens as an option! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Thorne Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I bought this piece ages ago and have had a couple of play-throughs but have never given it a public outing. Its well within my grasp - its not that difficult and I'd have thought it should be well-received by the congregation. The bit that puts off is the ending. I have the Novello edition (I think - would have to check in church) which is a reprint and some small notes have been added to the end (the large notes end on a pretty feeble pp) but I've never made much sense of it. Is there a recognised way to give this piece a satisfying ending? Have a look at http://www.mdg.de/titel/0975.htm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
octave Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I can also recommend this recording by Ben van Oosten. A sample can be heard here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsoff Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 The Fanfare is included in 'The Organists' Manual' by Roger E Davis, and in this instance ends with the grace notes you mention, but it is printed separately as 'the original ending'. At the bottom of the page a note tells us "The ending enclosed in brackets is suggested by the author, the original by Lemmens was for pedals alone . Different endings for this piece may be found in other editions". In other words Davis adds his own ending in small notes (in brackets) at the end of the piece, and the grace note ending by Lemmens as an option! Thank you for that info. I'd never heard the original ending before buying the Southwark CD. Editors can be strange beasts. It's a bit like someone saying that they don't think the ending of Vierne I is quite right, so they remove the pedal run and substitute "pom-tiddley-om-pom....... pom-pom!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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