pcnd5584 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Yes, the big one. I'm afraid I know nothing about when it was added. http://www.orgelsite.nl/koeln.htm <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Goodness! This organ has been substantially altered and enlarged. Certainly, I was in Cologne in 2002 and I remember seeng the cathedral littered with large wooden packing-cases and stacks of shiny organ pipes. It looks as though the case has also been altered. I cannot quite recall what it looked like before, but I do not think that it was exactly like that. Certainly it was not loud enough (or in the best location); which is why the nave organ was installed a few years ago. I wonder how they have managed to pay for all this work on two organs in the same cathedral, only a few years apart. I am glad that the 'old' organ has now acquired a céleste and some (presumably) big reeds. I would be interested to know if there is a recording of this instrument after the recent enlargement. I have one of the nave organ (played by Clement Ganz), but I cannot say that I found the sound of the instrument particularly stunning - only the acoustic. If anyone knows of a recording, I would be grateful for any information which you can give, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Goodness! This organ has been substantially altered and enlarged. Certainly, I was in Cologne in 2002 and I remember seeng the cathedral littered with large wooden packing-cases and stacks of shiny organ pipes. It looks as though the case has also been altered. I cannot quite recall what it looked like before, but I do not think that it was exactly like that. Certainly it was not loud enough (or in the best location); which is why the nave organ was installed a few years ago. I wonder how they have managed to pay for all this work on two organs in the same cathedral, only a few years apart. I am glad that the 'old' organ has now acquired a céleste and some (presumably) big reeds. I would be interested to know if there is a recording of this instrument after the recent enlargement. I have one of the nave organ (played by Clement Ganz), but I cannot say that I found the sound of the instrument particularly stunning - only the acoustic. If anyone knows of a recording, I would be grateful for any information which you can give, please. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Motette CD 12191 Apart from several additions, including the ones cited in this thread and some high-pressure tubas, the whole organ was raised by six feet, apparently to increase the output by better reflection from the vaulting above it. I, too, am pleased that there is now a celeste on the transept organ; a voice that has been lacking since it was first built. It is also interesting that they retained several uncommon mutations, one - 'Aliquot II-III' - of which I would particularly like to know more about its composition. Perhaps someone can help. This is, in my opinion, an excellent recording in which BOTH organs may be compared. Although one can never be absolutely sure from recordings (for example, microphone positioning), both organs sound very impressive on this CD. I now await a recording following the installation of the 40" west end tubas due this year, I believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Motette CD 12191 Apart from several additions, including the ones cited in this thread and some high-pressure tubas, the whole organ was raised by six feet, apparently to increase the output by better reflection from the vaulting above it. I, too, am pleased that there is now a celeste on the transept organ; a voice that has been lacking since it was first built. It is also interesting that they retained several uncommon mutations, one - 'Aliquot II-III' - of which I would particularly like to know more about its composition. Perhaps someone can help. This is, in my opinion, an excellent recording in which BOTH organs may be compared. Although one can never be absolutely sure from recordings (for example, microphone positioning), both organs sound very impressive on this CD. I now await a recording following the installation of the 40" west end tubas due this year, I believe. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you for this information, John. The last part - are you serious? If these are being supplied by Klais, they must be far and away the most powerful ranks which they have ever voiced! I am amazed.... I, too, will be very interested to hear a recording of these stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Thank you for this information, John. The last part - are you serious? If these are being supplied by Klais, they must be far and away the most powerful ranks which they have ever voiced! I am amazed.... I, too, will be very interested to hear a recording of these stops. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, I'm pretty sure they are not a figment of my imagination(!), and will be made by Klais. I understand that they will rejoice in the names of: - Tuba Episcopalis 8' (which I can make sense of), and - Tuba Capitularis 8' (the meaning of which I have no idea!) John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Yes, I'm pretty sure they are not a figment of my imagination(!), and will be made by Klais. I understand that they will rejoice in the names of: - Tuba Episcopalis 8' (which I can make sense of), and - Tuba Capitularis 8' (the meaning of which I have no idea!) John <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Neither do I! The word is not recognised by any of the on-line Latin-English dictionaries which I have tried. I will ask a colleague tomorrow - since she is Head of Classics, she ought to know the meaning of the word - or whether Klais just concocted it from a couple of pre-existing words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Morley Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 - Tuba Capitularis 8' (the meaning of which I have no idea!) Maybe when drawn it causes the congregation to stop singing and surrender! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Powell Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Yes, I'm pretty sure they are not a figment of my imagination(!), and will be made by Klais. I understand that they will rejoice in the names of: - Tuba Episcopalis 8' (which I can make sense of), and - Tuba Capitularis 8' (the meaning of which I have no idea!) John <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I found this online: capitular, capitulary of or pertaining to an ecclesiastical chapter; "capitular estates" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Harvey Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I thought "capita" was latin for head. Perhaps it will have an effect on heads when it is played? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 - Tuba Capitularis 8' (the meaning of which I have no idea!) Maybe when drawn it causes the congregation to stop singing and surrender! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Excellent! All organs should have one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Excellent! All organs should have one! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> York already has one - even if it is not named as such. It still sounds to be a fairly weird (and non-descriptive) name for a fat trumpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Jordan Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 York already has one - even if it is not named as such. It still sounds to be a fairly weird (and non-descriptive) name for a fat trumpet. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> "Capitular" is a canon. So you have the archbishop's tuba and the canon's tuba. Which is fatter? The archdiocese of Köln has no problems paying for anything at all. A good day to you all Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Well, OK - but according to my colleague in the Classics department here, capitularis means 'to surrender' (as someone has already mentioned). From it comes our word 'capitulate'. She did not mention anything about canons - fat or thin! Please do not make me tell her she is wrong - this could be very dangerous.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Childs Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Well, OK - but according to my colleague in the Classics department here, capitularis means 'to surrender' (as someone has already mentioned). From it comes our word 'capitulate'. She did not mention anything about canons - fat or thin! Please do not make me tell her she is wrong - this could be very dangerous.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Dear PCND, Remember discretion is the better part of valour. Also , as someone about to celebrate their 36th wedding anniversary I strongly recommend selective amnesia as an invaluable aid in dealings with the fairer sex. Well, it has worked for me! BAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Butler Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 http://npor.emma.cam.ac.uk/Reporter/jul83/e783.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted March 8, 2006 Share Posted March 8, 2006 Dear PCND, Remember discretion is the better part of valour. Also , as someone about to celebrate their 36th wedding anniversary I strongly recommend selective amnesia as an invaluable aid in dealings with the fairer sex. Well, it has worked for me! BAC <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I shall take your advice, Brian - and simply not say anything. As you say, this is bound to be more safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Jordan Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Well, OK - but according to my colleague in the Classics department here, capitularis means 'to surrender' (as someone has already mentioned). From it comes our word 'capitulate'. She did not mention anything about canons - fat or thin! Please do not make me tell her she is wrong - this could be very dangerous.... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, I understand......... this is made-up Latin (as so much of it is, I think); the German word for a cathedral chapter is "Kapitel", members of it are "Kapitulare", alles klar? Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Humana Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Oh, I understand......... this is made-up Latin (as so much of it is, I think); the German word for a cathedral chapter is "Kapitel", members of it are "Kapitulare", alles klar?Ouch! Then they could have done better. The medieval Latin for "chapter" and, by extension, "chapterhouse" is capitulum - but the genitive is capituli. For the record, a canon (as in priest) is canonicus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Jordan Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Ouch! Then they could have done better. The medieval Latin for "chapter" and, by extension, "chapterhouse" is capitulum - but the genitive is capituli. For the record, a canon (as in priest) is canonicus. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I know this, you know this, but does Phillip Klais know it? Apparently not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprondel Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 I know this, you know this, but does Phillip Klais know it? Apparently not! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Tuba canonica, then -- which alludes to what these things actually do. The heavy artillery. Pointless destruction, I mean. I really can't see what they want with those honkers. They already have a bunch of them in the chancel organ, after all. Hooded ones, which Philipp K. (and/or his staff) likes to call, in an utterly ridiculous attempt at neologism, "gehooded" (as a German participle). Best, Friedrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Jordan Posted March 10, 2006 Share Posted March 10, 2006 Tuba canonica, then -- which alludes to what these things actually do. The heavy artillery. Pointless destruction, I mean. I really can't see what they want with those honkers. They already have a bunch of them in the chancel organ, after all. Hooded ones, which Philipp K. (and/or his staff) likes to call, in an utterly ridiculous attempt at neologism, "gehooded" (as a German participle). Best, Friedrich <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Ah, but have you been in Essener Dom? You can really get the congregation/ audience in your pincers with that "Auxiliaire" - they have no escape! Brilliant! Everything the power-hungry evil organist ever wanted! And anything Essen can have, Cologne can have two of. Cheers B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrew Butler Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 HadI I been smart enough, might I have guessed? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just played a service at Margate Crematorium, and bt an amazing coincidencemet a local retired clergyman who knew St Thomas's in the early 1960's when i believe the Industrial Mission was based there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Humana Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 I guess St Thos would already have begun its decline into obscurity by then. According to the old hands in the congregation (who were very partisan, so doubtless I only heard one side of the story) the parish got completely wiped out one night in an air raid, so thenceforth the church drew its congregation from far and wide. It became the fashionable city church to go to because of its music - more so than Redcliffe in some ways. Some time in the fifties the church ended up with a priest who apparently went round telling everyone they really ought to be worshipping in their own parish churches - and gradually they drifted away. When that priest left it had got to the stage where the diocese felt it safe to refuse to appoint a successor and tried to declare the church redundant. The church wasn't having this and offered to pay the priest's stipend itself (it was a very rich church), but the diocese wasn't having that either. The impasse was settled by the diocese allowing the choir and congregation to continue to hold their own services without a priest, so long as they kept a low profile and didn't tell anyone what they were doing! In essence the diocese had agreed to wait until the congregation died from old age or whatever. That's the situation I inherited when John Marsh left to be organist at Redcliffe: tiny, but 100% supportive congregation; fair-sized, very competent choir; church with six-figure annual income and nothing to spend it on except the music; and no priest to get in the way. The first things I did were to replace the Parish Psalters with Oxford Psalters, compile my own chant book and have copies printed and buy 30-odd copies of the Oxford Book of Tudor Anthems. Boy, we had a whale of a time! From the musical point of view it was as near paradise as you could get. From the Christian/pastoral view... well you can understand why the diocese reckoned they could put the money to better use! Which is what eventually happened. The congregation having stubbornly refused to die completely (they were a tenacious bunch) St Thos eventually fell foul of the mass closure of the city centre churches in the early 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Robinson Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 For any who found it hard to believe: http://www.dombau-koeln.de/index.php?rub=5.1&eintrag_id=102 Sorry, it is in German. (I used http://babelfish.altavista.com/) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heva Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Sorry, wrong button .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heva Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 A picture of the partyhorns (copyright Kölner StadtAnzeiger). BTW. they seem to be a private donation. Schön, na? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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