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  1. I have found this topic illuminating - thank you. I have one observation which I share and one which really has come about by my hearing many students and others practice.

    I believe that there is a distinction between i) playing the organ and ii) practicing at the organ. The former suggests to me that we have the stops drawn and there is much sound. With the latter, we surely aim to get the correct notes by the best arrangement of fingering and pedaling, articulation and phrasing. Therefore for the home we need only to address and purchase what is necessary for ii) - which surely answers the topic heading. If we need performance, then we require i)

    I perform at home - but normally in the kitchen or on my piano. Having now got two manuals and pedals and two extraordinary 8fts, under my roof (and in a most handsome piece of furniture to boot), I can honestly say my cup has overflowed. The excitement of putting the sound to all the domestic labour is tremendous when you reach the church or concert hall. In retrospect, I would only have an digital instrument to mess around with the sounds (and no doubt at the expense of doing work). and all the time imagining of being somewhere where I wasn't. I would then slip into the same rut that numerous students find themselves in. Readers might be interested to know that once I did an experiment with a student who made oodles of noise all the day and drove everyone in three Quadrangles mad. We made a pact that if he only practiced on a single 8ft or 4ft we would use all necessary sounds in the lesson. Do you know, he learned things far better and almost twice the amount; was immeasurably more secure; and the frison that ensued from adding stops for the first time in the lesson was hugely rewarding.

    You can draw your own conclusions.

    All best wishes,



    I found these remarks illuminating. In essence, a digital vs one or two ranks of pipes provides the facility - and hence temptation - to start performing a piece long before one has really learnt it. It seems obvious, I suppose, but I hadn't really thought of it that way before. Thank you. Practice on single flutes it is, then.

  2. Whilst I agree that Cameron Carpenter has a fantastic technique, he doesn't have the musicianship Virgil Fox could display. He comes across to me as a highly skilled acrobat, devoid of musicianship.


    Which one?

  3. From the website:

    "Just how much of a saving is well illustrated at St. Cuthbert's. The theatre organ has about 1000 pipes arranged in 10 extended ranks. The church organ, which has slightly fewer speaking stops, needs 99 ranks and 5430 pipes!"


    Forgive me for being ignorant, but this is a digital instrument, right? In which case, why talk about ranks and pipes?

  4. I would say that you would go an awfully long way to beat a Wyvern Koralia - three manuals and at around £6500 it represents superb value for money. I had one and was so delighted with the results that I upgraded to a larger Wyvern Toccata III - which is just marvellous....


    The Wyvern Koralia does indeed look excellent value for money. What about the pedalboards on the Koralia and Toccata models - are they "standard" size, if there is such a thing? Do you generally find the consoles of these comfortable?

  5. There's a link to Wyvern's site (which I'm sure you've seen) and also a picture of me at mine, hard at work - if you scroll down. http://www.paulcarr.co.uk/page11.html


    Good luck!


    Thank you all for your helpful comments so far.


    Nice website, Paul. I know what you mean about the disappointment of transferring from a more luxurious home organ back to less well resourced church instruments, but I would imagine that that would be more than made up for by the presence of pipes.

  6. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that a digital instrument at home will be the preferred way of securing regular practice (ie every day, ideally). I am lucky enough to have unrestricted access to a "real" instrument, which I shall (of course) continue to use, but with the best will in the world it is difficult to get there as regularly as I would like to. I have not had the opportunity to play all that many digital instruments, and I'm not aware of any showrooms in my immediate vicinity where I could try out any instruments. I don't desire a lavish five manual cathedral reproduction; I would be quite happy with a modest 2 (maybe 3) manual affair, with the emphasis on quality rather than quantity. However, in a nod to ever so slight self-indulgence, I would prefer a French romantic specification, since this is the music I particularly enjoy, and as I'm paying and it is my hobby, I think I deserve a little self-indulgence. However, the instrument should be capable of allowing decent practice of a range of styles. I have done some internet research and generally have a 'feel' at, least in theory, of what the relevant companies are offering. I'm sure many of you have such instruments at home, so any first-hand advice or recommendations you have would be gratefully received. I don't want to ignite any (further) pipe vs digital debates. (My teacher is of no real help here as he has never had such an instrument and his only advice is to get a small 3 to 4 stop pipe organ. Well, as I'm not made of money and my (soon to be) wife would relish the prospect of headphones being used, this is not an option.) I hope this topic is not entirely outwith the remit of this forum.

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