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On 20/01/2020 at 09:55, innate said:
Bruce Willis.
Martyn Lewis.
George Harrison.
Charlie Drake.
10/1 you just forgot about William Hill
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After a mere thirteen years, I can now claim that the Compton book is finally finished; running to 57,000 words and about 215 pages in total.
I have had wonderful fun trying to get to grips with formatting, but I've now successfully created a pdf file, which reads well
I didn't realise that electronic publications have variable flow, which means that page numbers are irrelevant and indexes quite useless.
In view of the limitations of colour print within a book (not to mention the expense) I feel that a digital format is by far the best option, and of all file types, the pdf option seems to offer the most.
So it may be that I will produce it in CD format using the pdf file, and work out the best way of distributing it.
More later, but what a good day it's been!
MM
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Mmm!
I just recently sold my solitary Reslo ribbon mic from the 1960's.
I got £120 for it!!
Bought a Tascam, which is very good.
Better than lugging the old Ferrograph around, and the Revox which replaced it. Those were the days, when you needed a large van.
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On 13/01/2020 at 11:59, innate said:
Tallis to Wesley sounds like the Oratorios that my Dad used to refer to as Railway Announcements. Olivet to Calvary, calling at Gethsemene, Herod’s Palace … and all stations to … you get the idea.
This is an important announcement for passengers travelling on the 14.00 Seven Virgins service from Olivet to Calvary. This train is delayed at Kings Cross due to a points Caesar.
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Why "buy" anything, when it's so easy to listen to them played by someone reliable and scribble them down on manuscript?
My name isn't Reger or Bach, but I didn't find it terribly difficult.
(Save trees.....play by ear!)
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It shows how long it is since I posted anything related to Compton, but the photograph in question was the result of a Luftwaffe bombing raid, when the roof of Hull City Hall was partially destroyed in 1941. The organ was largely spared direct damage, though the Forster & Andrews console got it to some extent.
The amazing thing is not so much what happened on one bombing raid, but what happened afterwards, because both the hall and the organ were left open to the elements FOR SEVEN YEARS!Now I'm not sure whether anything was sheeted over (I suspect so) but it doesn't take much imagination to know what damp and an un-heated hall can do to an organ; not to mention pigeons, mice and other vermin.
A local organist thought he had heard the last concert in the hall, but wonderfully, the hall was repaired and the organ re-built by the Compton firm (with a lot of re-voicing) in the early 1950's. That was a further two years after the re-opening of the hall in 1948. The end result was (and still is) quite spectacular! -
An extraordinary man, an extraordinary musician and an extraordinary life.
Every good wish to him at.....what was it?102!!!!
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I've just read this, and it is terribly sad news. I feel that I've lost a friend, with whom I have shared a great deal over the years. David was quite the enthusiast and very knowledgeable about organ matters.
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On 29/08/2019 at 09:17, Barry Oakley said:
The console tablet on the organ of Hull City Hall states very, very boldly, "Rushworth & Dreaper" and the real builders lesser so. Anybody with historical knowledge knows that whilst R&D maintained the organ after the demise of Compton, it is fundamentally Forster & Andrews of 1911 and rebuilt and enlarged by Compton 1950-1951. Is the Trades Description Act now defunct?
It is claimed that the original organ was weak and ineffective. Compton's revoiced everything, and the result was spectacular. In my view, the Compton name should still be there, because R & D did nothing much tonally.
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I never thought of Sheffield, but you are right. Not only that, the space occupied by the old Willis/Mander (if it's still in situ) would have been about right for the Compton.
MM
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It was certainly contrived and spurious, because long before the demise of the organ, the management of the hall wanted to make vertical space available for stage flies, which would have brought it into line with other, rather better venues, and project the hall into the first rank of visual experiences.
If that was the agenda, then the removal of the organ was not without justification, in an age which has made the organ unfashionable. To that end, the City Council did the right thing by appointing the late Steve Tovey as their consultant, with a view to finding a home for the instrument. However, with remarkable speed, following the death of Mr Tovey, certain members of the council seemed to regard this as a green light to simply scrap the instrument in order to hasten the conversion of the hall.
Again, I am not without empathy, but simply scrapping such a splendid and thoroughly well made instrument was, in my view, an act of criminal vandalism. The instrument could have been advertised for sale internationally, and it seems unlikely to me, that there wouldn't have been potential buyers; as the sale of numerous church organs to Germany has shown in recent years.
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On 16/08/2019 at 21:05, S_L said:
I didn't know that you played for degree congregations at Hull - perhaps we do know each other after all!!
Only if you were alive 1979-82.
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On 16/08/2019 at 16:54, AJJ said:
The Southampton Compton was used for the continuo in a Messiah when I was there in the late ‘70s. It worked very well!
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Indeed, but such use requires careful registration. It is an organ which can whisper or roar.....and boy, can it roar!
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5 hours ago, Rowland Wateridge said:
Nothing wrong with pedantry - or an interest in non-organ subjects! But, according to Wikipedia (not infallible, but in this case quoting a local author), the Perth St John is John the Baptist. As one ‘wooed’ by the Hull City Hall organ at the IAO Organfest a couple (?) of years ago, I have returned several times, also making a visit to Beverley Minster, the most wonderful church - quite the equal of many cathedrals, and finer than some - also having an organ to match. Selby, another beautiful venue and fine organ, is outside that 12-miles radius mentioned by MM (so is Bridlington), but very easily reached from Hull (or, indeed, by direct train from London with the excellent Hull Trains).
Getting to grips with the City Hall organ was always an ordeal when it came to degree congregations and such, but what an organ!
Totally revoiced by Compton's, I regard it as their greatest masterpiece, and Jimmy Taylor's in particular. It makes a fascinating foil to the other really great Compton at Southampton Guildhall, which has all the 1930's weight and infinite means of expression. "Rock crushing" is not a malign description, for that was the style back in the day. However, the City Hall organ at Hull, with considerable brightness and chorus integrity, really anticipated the reform movement in Britain, and the organ at the Festival Hall in particular. With an infinitely finer acoustic than the RFH, the City Hall was always going to sound better in the stalls.
What a difference a decade and a half can make! Southampton was 1937.....Hull around 1952 if I recall without checking.
MM
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5 hours ago, andrewm said:
Sorry to be pedantic but strangely Beverley Minster isn’t dedicated to St. John of Beverley despite the fact his tomb is there and was a site of pilgrimage, it is dedicated to St John the Evangelist and St Martin of Tours. As a chorister at the Minster we would travel to the small village of Harpham on the way to Bridlington every year on St John of Beverley’s feast day to sing evensong as that church in his birthplace was dedicated to him. I believe there is another church somewhere in Northumberland dedicated to him and I remember being told a story as a chorister about the St John in St Johnstone (as in the football team in Perth) being St John of Beverley but I’m not sure of the truth in that!
I'm beginning to think that John may be quite a common name.
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On 12/08/2019 at 12:24, Barry Oakley said:
It’s the best news I’ve received for a long time. I believe there will be some very minor tonal changes and perhaps some duplexing. But the fully restored result will be much as it is today. The full console restoration will incorporate a computer-based control system, replacing the 80-year-old Compton system and possibly LED’s replacing the tungsten bulbs in the Compton illuminated stopheads. It will also be placed on a moveable platform.
I’ve often thought that Hull and venues in its immediate surrounding townships, Beverley and Bridlington, could form the basis for an international or European organ festival.
With regard to Beverley, I think you mean St Mary’s, MM?
That's the one! Isn't the Minster St.John?
MM
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Wonderful news!
There's a wonderful basis on which to work, including the "battleship" Forster & Andrews parts, as well as Compton's renowned quality.
I hope they don't specify major tonal-changes, because this is one of the last untouched Compton re-builds, and contains, for instance, reeds voiced by the legendary Billy Jones.
I can't think of many areas, other than Liverpool and Bristol, where so many stupendous organs can be heard in a 12 mile radius....City Hall, the Minster, St John's Beverley, Beverley Minster. Also, Bridlington isn't far away. Not only that, they are all so different in character.
No matter who gets the job, I somehow doubt that it will be another 80 years before the next rebuild is due!
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I recall a discussion with a noted music historian, when we considered the music of Bach and the organs of the day. Without the slightest doubt, the organ was the loudest and most spectacular sound ever heard at that time, and the sounds of daily life would be restricted to bird-song, horses, carts, the blacksmith's hammer and the scuffle of people going about their business. Night time would be almost totally silent and unlit.
In our very noisy world, it is not surprising that one of our finest pipe-voicers voiced one notable cathedral instrument during the wee small hours, and even had a sleeping bag on hand inside the organ.
I often wonder if hearing loss and heavy industry didn't play a part in the development of the romantic organ, which seemed to lose clarity decade after decade; culminating in the "rock crushing" sounds often associated with the 1930's, where clarity almost totally disappeared.
I vividly recall a very special moment, after arriving slightly late for an organ-concert at the Martinikerk, Groningen, just as the Bach Gigue Fugue (played at a modest pace) began. I stood at the back of the large church, and in spite of the considerable distance from the instrument, I could hear every inner part as clear as a bell.....a magical moment indeed.
Similarly, I have heard early-music performances of baroque music, with equally splendid clarity and definition.
When it comes to the organ, I can't help but think that an awful lot of so-called "neo-baroque" instruments are crude and clumsy; especially in the typical English parish church, with side aisles and low roof levels; not to mention poor organ positioning and a lack of resonance. There was also the belief that organists wanted "rough" open-foot voicing, which is a description which cannot be levied at the genuine articles on the continent. The baroque masters spent a long time getting things right. The Bavokerk organ took seven years to complete, if I recall correctly.
A major component in the musical success of many genuine period instruments, is not just the pipe-voicing, but the acoustic characteristics of the great European hall-churches. This was the problem with the oddly named "iconic" instrument at the Festival Hall. At the console, even the original manifestation of the instrument was impressive, but walking into the body of the hall as the organ was played, convinced me that a more musical option would have been to install a Wurlitzer theatre-organ. We now know that the building did not comply with the architect's original materials specifications, and the original acoustic was quite horrific as a consequence.I always smile at John Compton's comment about Downside Abbey, when someone complimented him on the new organ installed by him. He replied, "In this acoustic, even a penny whistle would sound wonderful".
Oddly enough, one of my organ-building heroes is Thomas C Lewis, who admired Schulze above all others (and therefore Silbermann by default). I often wonder why his example wasn't followed and developed into a thoroughly British style, which might have saved us from the rough screech of so many unfortunate "neo-classical" (sic) instruments.
MM
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19 hours ago, Zimbelstern said:
I agree wholeheartedly with Vox Humana regarding tempo. When learning a new piece I usually feel the need, after I have learnt the notes, to listen to as many different recordings as I can, something which is now quite straightforward with a subscription to a service like Apple Music.
I am nearly always surprised by the range of tempos. In a few cases, a piece may be played by the fastest player at almost twice the speed of the slowest. I often wonder if it was actually possible to play Bach at the tempi adopted by many current performers, given the accounts in 18th century literature of the heaviness and stiffness of the action of many organs then.
I recall playing an old Smith organ in the Netherlands, which was harder work than my grandmother's mangle. Most are nothing like as bad, but the depth of key touch seems to be one of the limiting factors with many old instruments.
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It is clearly a quite large search looking for organ improvisations broadcast by BBC Radio 3.
The following link would probably yield rather more than I have time for.
https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/40/20?q=ORGAN+IMPROVISATION#search
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Nowadays, when musicians die or otherwise disappear, there are usually a few cassete tapes, CD's and such left around, but I well recall my first "state of the art" recording equipment which was a gift on my 15th birthday. It consisted of a mono Ferrograph tape-recorder and a rather nice Reslo ribbon microphone......total weight to drag around, about half a hundredweight. (That's about 24 kilos for EU enthusiasts).
Nowadays, one can get almost broadcast quality from a small, portable, digital recording device for around £100.
Somewhere, if it is still playable, I have a 25 minute, mono-thematic improvisation on cassete, which I just felt inspired to play. The ideas kept flowing, and hey-ho.....a fairly mighty work.
(I just typed "Tate of the art" above......I like that!)
I've crawled around various archives of the BBC, but apart from the James I Taylor insertion, I've not come across any Radio Times entries for organ-improvisation from the 1950's and 1960's. It's fairly time-consuming going through the Radio Times entries, and it may well be that I haven't yet covered all the various stations.....I'll go back to it when the cats have gone out and refuse to come in because it is summer.
What did strike me, was the sheer number of organ-related programmes during the 1930's and 1940's, accompanied by some quite technical descriptions of organs, organ mechanisms and the music played. There was something for everyone, from Sandy Machperson and his postbag, (playing the BBC theatre organ), to George Thalben-Ball playing the Compton at the Radio Theatre concert-hall and right through to some intellectual stuff from France and Germany. It was quite a golden age for organists!
Another pun just sprang to mind. Is the National Gallery the "Art of the state"?
I must go and do something useful!
MM
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Further information:-
In the Concert Hall, Broadcasting House
Improvisations by J. 1. TAYLOR
With Commentary by FILSON YOUNG
Listeners will have read the article by Filson Young in last week's issue of THE RADIO Times, introducing this broadcast and calling attention to its unusual interest. Mr. Taylor will come to the B.B.C. organ, not merely as an organ recitalist, but as one who has been associated with its design and construction from the beginning. He is an experienced organ builder as well as an organist of great ability, and he has, in addition, the rare gift of true and creative improvisation. This evening's improvisation will therefore be favourably cast in a form suitable to demonstrate the capacities of the B.B.C. organ, while Mr. Filson Young will be at hand to comment from time to time on the stops and combinations used. -
I don't know what the programme was, but the BBC did broadcast live performances which included improvisations. Among these, was included the name of James I Taylor of Compton Organs, who later became assistant at St Bride's, Fleet Street. His powers of improvisation were legendary.
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It's good to learn of this. With the immense history of the organ, any student who cares to research it (or simply investigate what others have written) must know that the means of operation dictate certain things. The failure to understand the history can lead to all sorts of bizarre readings and interpretations, including those ludicrously fast performances of Bach in America, which are only possible due to fast actions and often very dead acoustics. When people play historic organs of the period, they soon learn.
The organs Liszt played and composed for, were still tracker action, with a limited range of immediate expression.
However, of far greater significance was Liszt's desire to leave an impression, for it seems that he was such a heart-throb, he used to receive countless requests for locks of his golden hair. Fortunately, he had a wolfhound with the same colour of fur...........🤣MM
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Well, the Compton e-book is finally been published and it's entitled COMPTON ORGAN, A STORY OF GENIUS IN ORGAN-BUILDING.
The first batch of CD's arrived yesterday, and for the moment, I've just stuck some on e-bay. They'll keep appearing. The first book was snapped up within 4 hours!
I'm not sure I would ever want to repeat the exercise, after what has taken 12 years or so. It has been very much a labour of love (obsession) and I cringe to think how many hours I put into the research, even with the help of many other people along the way. I also cringe to think what it has cost; wandering around looking at things and even travelling 600 miles to Southampton and back in a single day, just to have a bash on the Guildhall organ and hear Richard Hills play it in concert.
I shall be bored now.........
Maybe a book about Mander Organs is long overdue! Our hosts have done some terrific work along the way.