OmegaConsort
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I popped into Chichester Cathedral on my way home from a funeral today, and noticed an organ console, at the West End up high in the South Triforium.....Anyone know what that is about??
Best wishes
Richard
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... and with only about a dozen bars to go! Could they not have cut a bit of Mr Trelawny's tiresome waffle instead?
JS
I dont think they would ever do this with any other live performance. I was as livid as the rest of you.....I got the impression that Ashley was aware that time was running out and was having a race with the BBC towards the end with his tempo?
I suppose we should be grateful that the BBC still broadcast (most of) choral evensong these days....
Richard
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The new stop is not at all overpowering in the Nave but has a real presence both solo and in the tutti and is a very worthwhile addition. Is there room for 16' & 4' equivalents?
Only kidding...
I think I just heard it (the new stop) at the end of the Nunc before the Gloria??
Sounded excellent to me (notwithstanding the BBC's habit of compressing the sound levels!)
Richard
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some nice organ colours on last week's BBC Choral Evensong from Eton:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00szr5k
MPK
It was Neil Taylor - he is really good on the psalms wherever he is playing (I found the whole Eton broadcast a bit weird in terms of balance - choir seemed miles away and the organ really muddy and bass-heavy)..
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Whilst not strictly 100% on topic,is fun!
Excellent! Whole new meaning to "ascending scale"!!!
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I shall watch the replies to the OP with interest.
I looked at the blurb for ARCO, quickly realised I'm not ready and so then looked at the CertRCO and found that you need to join. Is there anything much to be gained from becoming a member of the RCO other than eligibility to sit their examinations?
I think, if you do the ACertCM you have to be a member of the Guild. I suspect this is the case for most organisations who offer diplomas of one sort or the other. Around 15 years ago, I took the ACertCM; I found it quite stimulating and enjoyed the experience.
Best wishes
Richard
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This is the only pipe organ I've played when I was told afterwards I was too loud.
It is a very loud instrument - possibly one of the loudest two manual organs in the UK! If you stand hard against the East End wall when it is going full blast then you can cope with it for a minute or two (The organ is at the west end, divided North and South in elevated lofts). Aside from the vestries and church hall, there is no where on the premises where you can escape the tutti effect!
Richard
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Attempts were made to find a new home for it: nowhere would take it. Same story for St Mary, Nottingham (Walker 1916),
Actually, some of St Mary's Nottingham's ranks are in the organ of St Francis Welwyn Garden City. I cant remember which (board member RAC will probably know exactly which ones), and I am sure I read somewhere that the 32' contra trombone found its way to New Zealand!
Richard
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North Petherton, an excellent tune, and a lovey setting by Harris. Too often people reject Harris's accompanied pieces because they prefer Faire is the Heaven and Bring us, O Lord God, but Come down and Behold, the tabernacle of God are both superb little anthems.
Jonathan
Quite agree Jonathan - I used to sing both those anthems as a boy and have very fond memories.
What about "Come Holy Ghost the maker, Come" by Thorpe-Davie....an excellent and very powerful anthem, tho now i have typed this, I am not sure whether it is Pentecost or Trinity!!!!
Richard
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Should crematoriums insist on the organ being used and ban the cd's ?
Colin Richell.
Certainly not...the Crem, as much as possible, should carry out the wishes of the family of the departed.
Richard
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This is wonderful, and what I love so much about the Mander discussion board!
It is like listening-in on a fascinating conversation.
Thanks you two - keep going!
Richard
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Just a though: How many Green cathedral organs do we still have ?
Congregation= less than 100 people ? So something delicate
could do ?
Pierre
well......there is the Green instrument built for Salisbury Cathedral which found its way to St Thomas' Salisbury (and is still there) when the Willis was installed in the 1870's. I used to play this instrument often, and although it has had a number of rebuilds and additions is still very sweet-toned and delicate.
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And Derby Cathedral if I remember correctly. I grew up with instruments using Compton illuminated stopheads and have always been comfortable with them.
JC
Wow! We must have both posted that at exactly the same time!
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I hope when the organ is restored in Hull Parish Church that the Compton lighted stops will remain, the only other instrument I can recall with these is Downside Abbey.
Derby Cathedral?
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Then arrive early enough on Sunday morning to wind the stool back down, dispose of the bits of torn post-it notes and select channel 666.
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There is already the work of Vernon Butcher. As far as I know, the history
does not need to be re-written every time the fashion changes. Or it is then
an apology of the last one; the end of the history is always our feat....Up to
the next generation. Let us have a date in 30 years.
Pierre
sorry about the funny smiley face on my post - no idea why that was there - it was supposed to be a letter b in a bracket!!!
Pierre - the book would be nothing to do with changing fashion - just a history, including the excellent work by VB, and Adrian's photo documentary, and perhaps more historical information which might have come to light whilst the old instrument was dismantled. It could be a very interesting book, as is the St Pauls book that I mentioned.
I didnt want to stir up anything with my suggestions; the old organ is gone - the new one is here...
Richard
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What an amazing post this turned out to be...from beginning to end, and all the amazing photos of the build as it developed. Adrian Lucas has already been thanked by many of us for sharing this information with us all.
Now that the organ has had some time to bed-in so to speak I wonder (a) what are the general thoughts and opinions of those who have played it (I thought it sounded wonderful on the BBC Evensong broadcast last year), and (
how are the music staff at the cathedral finding it on a day to day basis?and one for Adrian Lucas if he has time:
I wonder whether a book is planned which might use some of the photographs, but also incorporate a full history of the organs of Worcester? It would be excellent to have something in the style of the recent Niland/Plumley St Pauls Cathedral book.
Best wishes
Richard
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The analogy of vehicle controls I find amusing and very wrong. I CAN drive a large truck with a non-syncromesh “crash” gearbox using double de-clutching, and even change gear without using the clutch. I can do this without (a) wrecking the transmission or (
breaking my wrist. I know how to use an “Eaton twin-splitter” gearbox, an old pre-selector change, a conventional high/low transfer box and electronically controlled and computerised gearboxes in “economy” mode, “power” override mode or “semi-automatic” mode. I know how to play around with 16 forward gears and two reverse ratios; not to mention diff-locks, traction control, axle lifters and suspension height controls. MM
Very impressive MM; and I thought I knew a bit about vehicles! Are you a lorry driver? There once was an organist of a prestigeous Abbey in the West country who used to drive buses or lorries (cant remember which) for a living. This was a career change after years of music teaching.
Back on topic, thanks for the well=balanced response!
Richard
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It's Brecon Cathedral – possibly with added reverb!
Did you notice the continuity slip-up? When the Doctor and Amy are walking down the nave and we're looking west - no TARDIS. When they're running back and we're looking east there it is, right in the centre of the nave.
Gary Cole
Well done Gary!!! I was thinking Brecon, but I looked on the Cathedral Website and the nave didnt quite look the same - but looking East, I can now see that it must be! I missed the continuity slip tho!
BTW - we met in Gloucester organ loft around 3 years ago - do you remember?
Richard
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Anyone who saw it tonight would have seen a very nice church near the beginning which was a museum in the programme. There was a short shot looking East, and I think I spied an organ case on the South side, up high.
Anyone any idea which church this is?
Best wishes
Richard
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IANAL either - maybe should have added that above.
Sorry to digress and to ask what to some might be obvious, what does IANAL mean - it sounds ever-so slightly rude to me!
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And while I'm on the line, would I be treading on too many toes if I suggested that 'The Organ and its Music' and 'Nuts and Bolts' should merge under the former title..
DONT mention that David! I did once in a thread a year or so ago, and got shot down in flames by JPM himself!
Richard
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Yes please! It does seem like there's a huge cross-over of interests and a ready made user base that would be more difficult to establish from scratch.
Steve
Completely agree! The synergy works well, and it would be really good to have choir-based stuff included with the organ discusssions....
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I agree. In addition to 'Here in a basement', I also find 'He bears His load on the sorrowful road, and bends 'neath the burden low' a little too much to swallow too.
However, musically, I think it very well-crafted, and parts of it have the ability to move me very much. I wonder why there has been so much snobbery against it over the years. Passing fashions, I guess.
I grew up with a splendid LP of an abridged version of it sung by the choir of Guildford Cathedral, under Barry Rose. Has anybody else got any favourite recordings (if you dare admit to owning recordings of The Crucifixion!)?
On the other hand, as for Olivet To Calvary...
EDIT: I see OmegaConsort has beaten me to it. I blame it on my slow laptop!
Yep - got in quickly with my super-fast PC...
There is an orchestrated recording so I'm told - never heard it, but it was on the old defunct conifer label I think. Also, didnt Stanley Vann record it too? There is also a St Pauls with john scott which I have; interesting but oh so slow....i also have an ancient recording of me singing in a performance, but the least said about that one, the better!
breaking my wrist. I know how to use an “Eaton twin-splitter” gearbox, an old pre-selector change, a conventional high/low transfer box and electronically controlled and computerised gearboxes in “economy” mode, “power” override mode or “semi-automatic” mode. I know how to play around with 16 forward gears and two reverse ratios; not to mention diff-locks, traction control, axle lifters and suspension height controls. 
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Aha! That would be it - I now remember seeing loud speakers up there as well...
The Mander nave console is further East on the North side (opposite the triforium pipes) on ground level. I didnt notice any train tracks though!