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Rumors abounded when the great organ at St John th Divine in new York suffered the ravages of fire, hat, smoek, humidity and soot. It was unclear if this magnificent art could be effectively salvaged. So being intimately aware of the cathedral it tonal acoustical properties after 15 years of come and go and playing the great organ numerous times i preped a contingent plan should the unthinkable come to pass. It is enclosed below. Warning: for those who are allergic to organs above 20 voices this is adult reading. Turn back NOW. The organ is custom fit for the great edifice of gothic stone and flying butresses. See what was conceived in short order as a working document.

 

I am proposing an all new pipe organ as per

the following tonal scheme to be awarded to the conservative age-old

firm of Austin organs inc Hartford conn

 

 

 

Chancel great

 

Violone32

 

Diapason16

 

Bourdon16

 

Grossquint10-2/3

 

First diapason8

 

Seconddiapason8

 

Thirddiapason8

 

Fourth diapason8

 

Principal8

 

Grossflute8

 

Doppelflute8

 

Bourdon8

 

Harmonicflute8

 

Erzahler8

 

Erzhalerceleste8

 

Gamba8

 

Gambaceleste8

 

Quint5-1/3

 

First principal4

 

Secondprincipal4

 

Thirdprincipal4

 

Octave4

 

Hohlflute4

 

Koppelflute4

 

Fluted'amour4

 

Viola4

 

Gemshorn4

 

Gambette4

 

Tenth3-1/5

 

Twelfth2-2/3

 

Firstfifteenth2

 

Secondfifteenth2

 

Principal2

 

Blockflute2

 

Flageoletharmonique2

 

Seventeenth1-3/5

 

Nineteenth1-1/3

 

Twentyfirst1-1/7

 

Twentysecond1

 

Grandfourniture-v-viii-2

 

Kleinemixtur-iv-2

 

Fourniture-iv-1-1/3

 

Pleinjeu-iii-vi-1

 

Scharf-iv-2/3

 

Cymbel-iii-½

 

Terzzymbel-iii-1/3

 

Contrafagot32

 

Bombarde16

 

Trompettegrande8

 

Clairongrande4

 

Harmonics-v-1-3/5

 

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swell

 

 

Contragamba32

 

Diapason16

 

Bourdon16

 

Gamba16x

 

Gambaceleste16

 

Firstdiapason8

 

Seconddiapason8

 

Thirddiapason8

 

Principal8

 

Grossflute8

 

Stoppeddiapason8

 

Chimneyflute8

 

Concertflute8

 

Fluteceleste8

 

Viola8

 

Violaceleste8

 

Gamba8x

 

Gambaceleste8x

 

Salicional8

 

Salicionalceleste8

 

Aeoline8

 

Aeolineceleste8

 

Flautodolce8

 

Flautoceleste8

 

Dulciana8

 

Dulcianaceleste8

 

Kleineerzahler8-ii

 

Quintebourdon5-1/3

 

Firstprincipal4

 

Secondprincipal4

 

Octave4

 

Waldflute4

 

Rohrflute4

 

Harmonicflute4

 

Violina4

 

Voxceleste4

 

Undamaris4-ii

 

Twelfth2-2/3

 

Firstfifteenth2

 

Secondfifteenth2

 

Octavin2

 

Flautino2

 

Spillflute2

 

Seventeenth1-3/5

 

Nineteenth1-1/3

 

Twenty-first1-1/7

 

Twentysecond1

 

Twentythird8/9

 

Twentyfourth4/5

 

Sesqui altera-ii-2-2/3

 

Chorus mixture-v-2-2/3

 

Pleinejeu-viii-2-2/3

 

Fourniture-v-2

 

Mixturedouce-iv-2

 

Scharf-iv-2/3

 

Cymbale-iv-½

 

Contrabombardon32

 

Doubletrumpet16

 

Contraoboe16

 

Trumpet8

 

Trompette8

 

Bombarde8

 

Cornopean8

 

Oboe8

 

Bassonhautbois8

 

Vox8

 

Quintetrompette5-1/3

 

Octavetrumpet4

 

Clairon4

 

Bombardeclairon4

 

Vox4

 

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Choir

 

 

Quintaton16

 

Dulciana16

 

Opendiapason8

 

Violindiapason8

 

Diapasonceleste8

 

Melodia8

 

Fluteceleste8

 

Violad'amore8

 

Violaceleste8

 

Choredesd'orchestre8

 

Chordesceleste8#

 

Chordesceleste8##

 

Erzahler celeste8-ii

 

Silverfluteceleste8-ii

 

Prestant4

 

Nachthorn4

 

Lochgedeckt4

 

Dolceceleste4-ii

 

Nazard2-2/3

 

Doublette2

 

Flachflote2

 

Piccolo2

 

Tierce1-3/5

 

Larigot1-1/3

 

Septieme1-1/7

 

Fife1

 

Mixture-iii-1-1/3

 

Cymbel-iii-1/3

 

Jeudeclochette-ii-2/5

 

Englishhorn16

 

Trompette8

 

Oboehorn8

 

Cromorne8

 

Trichterregal8

 

Englishhorn8x

 

Clarinet8

 

Vox8

 

Oboeschalmey4

 

Vox4

 

Harmonictrumpet8-hi pressure

 

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Positive

 

 

Nasonflute16

 

Principal8

 

Voceumana8

 

Spitzgedeckt8

 

Quintadena8

 

Dolkan8

 

Dolkanceleste8

 

Principal4

 

Rohrpfeife4

 

Erzahler4

 

Nachthorn2-2/3

 

Principal2

 

Spitzflute2

 

Terzleine1-3/5

 

Quint-1-1/3

 

Sifflute1

 

Oktavterz4/5

 

Quintino2/3

 

Scharffmixtur-iv-vii-1-1/3

 

Zimbelmixtur-iii-v-1/3

 

Dulzian16

 

Zink8

 

Knopregal8

 

Krummhorn8

 

Musette8

 

Rohrschalmei4

 

Regal2

 

Tremolo

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Solo

 

 

Violone16

 

Violoneceleste16

 

Majoropendiapason8

 

Flautomirabilis8

 

Mirabilisceleste8

 

Tibiaclausa8

 

Violoncello8

 

Celloceleste8

 

Majorgamba8

 

Majorceleste8

 

Orchestralviols8-iii

 

Quintediapason5-1/3

 

Majoroctave4

 

Zauberflute4

 

Triangleflute4

 

Triangleceleste4

 

Viola Celeste-4-ii

 

Tibia tierce3-1/5

 

Flutetwelfth2-2/3

 

Concertpiccolo2

 

Compensating mixture-vii-2-2/3

 

Subtrombone16

 

Tromba8

 

Trombaclarion4

 

Harmonictrumpet8

 

Harmoniccornopean8

 

Posthorn8

 

Brasstrumpet8

 

Cornodibassetto8

 

Frenchhorn8

 

Flugelhorn8

 

Orchestraloboe8

 

Bassoon8

 

Solovox8

 

Éclat-vii-4

 

Tuba8

 

Tremolo

 

Chimes

 

Harp

 

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Bombarde

 

 

Principal32

 

Octave16

 

Quint10-2/3

 

Octave8

 

Tierce6-2/5

 

Octave4

 

Grandepleinjeu-ix-5-1/3

 

Grandcymbale-vii-2-2/3

 

Contrebombarde32

 

Bombarde16

 

Trompettedebombarde8

 

Quintebombarde5-1/3

 

Clairondebombarde4

 

Tiercebombarde3-1/5

 

Bombard mixture-v-4-flues

 

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Fanfare

 

 

Festivaltrompette16

 

Festivaltrompette8

 

Festivalclairon4

 

Grandsesqui altera ix-16

 

 

 

 

Corona

 

 

Tubamirabilis16

 

Tubamirabilis8

 

Quinthorn5-1.3

 

Tubaclarion4

 

Grand chorus-vii-8

 

 

 

 

 

Pedal

 

 

 

 

Bourdon64

 

Diapason32

 

Principal32-bo

 

Violone32-gt

 

Bourdon32x

 

Gamba32-sw

 

Subquint21-1/3

 

Openwood16x

 

Contrabass16

 

Principal16

 

Principal16-bo

 

Octave16-bo

 

Diapason16-gt

 

Diapason16-sw

 

Violone16-gt

 

Violone16-so

 

Violoneceleste16-so

 

Majorbass16

 

Subbass16

 

Bourdon16-gt

 

Softbourdon16-sw

 

Nason16-pos

 

Quintaten16-ch

 

Gamba16-sw

 

Gambaceleste16-sw

 

Dulciana16-ch

 

Subterz12-4/5

 

Quint10-2/3x

 

Subseptime9-1/7

 

Openwood8x

 

Contrabass8x

 

Principal8x

 

Octave8

 

Diapason8

 

Geigen8

 

Subbass8x

 

Pommer8

 

Spitzflute8

 

Softbourdon8-sw

 

Violones8- so

 

Celli8-so

 

Viols8-so

 

Gambas8-sw

 

Violas8-sw

 

Flautodolce8

 

Subnone7-1/9

 

Terz6-2/5x

 

Quint5-1/3x

 

Septime4-4/7x

 

Openwood4x

 

Contrabass4x

 

Principal4x

 

Octave4x

 

Choralbass4

 

Diapason4x

 

Geigen4x

 

Spitzprincipal4

 

Hohlflute4

 

Softbourdon4-sw

 

None3-5/9x

 

Choralbass2x

 

Waldflute2

 

Gemshorn1

 

Harmonics 64

 

Cornet32

 

Pedalmixtur-vii-8

 

Pedalscharf-v-1-1/3

 

Pedalcymbel-iii-1/3

 

Contraposaune64

 

Majorposaune32x

 

Contrabombardon32-sw

 

Contrafgot32-gt

 

Contrebombarde32-bo

 

Grandposaune16x

 

Bombarde16-bo

 

Bombarde16-gt

 

Trumpet16-sw

 

Bombardon16-sw

 

Trombone16-so

 

fagot16-gt

 

Horn16-ch

 

Dulzian16-pos

 

Quintebombarde10-2/3x-bo

 

Majorposaune8

 

Bombarde8-bo

 

Bombardon8-sw

 

Bombarde8-gt

 

Tromba8-so

 

Trumpet8-sw

 

Fagot8-gt

 

Cromorne8-ch

 

Majorclarion4

 

Bombarde4-bo

 

Bombardon4-sw

 

Schalmey4

 

Krummhorn4-pos

 

Regal2-pos

 

Fest trompette16-fanf

 

Fest trompette8-fanf

 

Tuba16-cor

 

Tuba8-cor

 

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Grand chorus-crossing triforia

 

 

 

 

Opendiapasonmagna8

 

Octavediapasonmagna4

 

Gross mixture-ix-5-1/3

 

 

 

 

Floatingreedchorus-crossing triforia opposite grand chorus

 

 

 

 

Contrbombarde16

 

Bombarde8

 

Harmonictrumpet8

 

Posthorn8

 

Bombardeclairon4

 

Furniture-vii-4

 

Tierce mixture-v-ix-1-3/5

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nave great=midway down nave in triforia

 

 

 

 

Principal major8

 

Octavemajor4

 

Mixture major-vii-2-2/3

 

 

 

Nave swell reeds=midway down nave opposite great in triforia

 

 

 

Contrebombarde16

 

Bombarde8

 

Trompetteharmonique8

 

Trompettemilitaire8

 

Bombardeclairon4

 

Pleinjeu-ix-5-1/3

 

 

 

 

nave pedal

 

 

 

 

Majorbass32

 

Majorbass16x

 

Openbass16

 

Diapason8

 

Diapason4

 

Mixture-v-2-2/3

 

Bombarde32x

 

Bombarde16-nave sw rds

 

Bombarde8-sw rds

 

Bombarde4-sw rds

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gallery great

 

 

 

 

Quintaton32

 

Diapason16

 

Diapason8

 

Principalflute8

 

Doppeloffenflote8

 

Quinte5-1/3

 

Octave4

 

Chorus mixture-vii-2-2/3

 

Subtuba16

 

Tuba8

 

Tubaclarion4

 

 

 

 

 

Gallery swell

 

 

 

 

Diapason16

 

Diapason8

 

Grossgedeckt8

 

Violamajor8

 

Violaceleste8

 

Octave4

 

Tibia4

 

Mixture-vi-2-2/3

 

Contraposaune16

 

Tuba8

 

Trumpet8

 

Oboe major

 

Voxmajor8

 

Clarion4

 

 

 

 

 

Gallery reed chorus

 

 

 

 

Doubletrombone16

 

Harmonictromba8

 

Trombaclarion4

 

Harmonics-v-3-1/5

 

 

 

 

 

Gallery celestial

 

 

 

 

Cantabilediapason8

 

Diapasonceleste8

 

Fernflute8

 

Fluteceleste8

 

Flauto celeste8-ii

 

Violesaetheria8-ii

 

Undamaris8-iii

 

Willowflute4

 

Flautoangelico4-ii

 

Vox16-

 

Vox8

 

Vox4

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gallery string

 

 

 

 

Violapomposa8

 

Violaceleste8#

 

Violaceleste8##

 

Violesd'orchestre8

 

Violes celeste8#

 

Violesceleste8##

 

Gemshorn8

 

Gemshornceleste8#

 

Gemshornceleste8##

 

Vox8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gallerypedal

 

 

 

 

Bourdon32

 

Quintaton32-gt

 

Openwood16

 

Contrabass16

 

Diapason16-gt

 

Diapason16-sw

 

Bourdon16x

 

Softbourdon16

 

Principal8

 

Contrabass8x

 

Openwood8x

 

Bourdon8x

 

Softbourdon8-sw

 

Principal4

 

Koppelflute4

 

Blockflute2

 

Hohlflute1

 

Mixture-ix-8

 

Trombone32

 

Trombone16x

 

Tuba16-gt

 

Posaune16-sw

 

Bombarde16-reed

 

Tromba8x

 

Tuba8-gt

 

Posaune8-sw

 

Bombare8-rd

 

Tromba4x

 

 

 

 

Trompeteria

 

 

 

Statetrumpet16

 

Statetrumpet8x

 

Statetrumpet4x

 

Tubamagna16

 

Tubamagna8x

 

Tubamagna4x

 

 

if the rumors r false/oh well/it was fun imagining/out of the imaginations of today come the realities of tommorow....witness wanamakers.atlantic city,us miltary academy at west point etc

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Rumors abounded when the great organ at St John th Divine in new York suffered the ravages of fire, hat, smoek, humidity and soot.

 

I am proposing an all new pipe organ as per

the following tonal scheme...........

Violone32

 

Diapason16

 

Bourdon16

 

Grossquint10-2/3

 

First diapason8.....................

 

(etc......ad nauseum)

 

==========================

 

 

I've come up with a novel solution!

 

Build the organ outdoors, with suitable weather protection, enclosing St.John-the-Divine Cathedral INSIDE it.

 

 

MM

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I remember buying a Michael Murray recording of this marvelous organ (Telarc) I do not know if it was the recording process or my speakers, but the ChamadeTrumpets nearly bust my poor Heybrook HB1 speakers.(these now reside in James Lancelots front room in Durham, still working :P ) I did not realise this organ is now silent :(

Slightly going off a bit, as we all do, what do you think of M. Murrays recording of St.Sulpice ?

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I remember buying a Michael Murray recording of this marvelous organ (Telarc) I do not know if it was the recording process or my speakers, but the  ChamadeTrumpets nearly bust my poor Heybrook HB1 speakers.(these now reside in James Lancelots front room in Durham, still working :D  ) I did not realise this organ is now silent  :(

Slightly going off a bit, as we all do, what do you think of M. Murrays recording of St.Sulpice ?

 

 

I've always found Murray's recordings to be a bit on the dull side... this recording included.

 

In my (humble) opinion, one of the best recordings of the St. John's instrument was Anthony Newman's "Organ Orgy". Which was a spectacular collection of crusty Wagner transcriptions played in dazzling style.

 

Unfortunately this CBS (vinyl only) recording has long since been deleted. I wish it was reissued on CD.

 

[Columbia M-3268]

 

 

-MAS

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I remember buying a Michael Murray recording of this marvelous organ (Telarc) I do not know if it was the recording process or my speakers, but the  ChamadeTrumpets nearly bust my poor Heybrook HB1 speakers.(these now reside in James Lancelots front room in Durham, still working :blink:  ) I did not realise this organ is now silent  :unsure:

Slightly going off a bit, as we all do, what do you think of M. Murrays recording of St.Sulpice ?

 

If I remember correctly, this is the one that has the totally lackluster performance of the DuPre Cortege. It was also a sonic disappointment through a very good set up (Maggie IVs, prototype Sunfire subwoofers, Threshold amps, Krell CD player). The recording did not begin to give a true sense of this instrument.

 

Restoration is now underway (Keats-Geisler, I think--odd choice to me). Unfortunately, the instrument had been subjected to malignant neglect even before the fire/water damage, etc. Last time I played (early 80s), it was a mess. All told, including the building's structural damage, 4-5M$ to complete. Hope they can come up with the money, this is one of the Skinner/Aeolian-Skinner blends that truly lives up to its reputation.

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