Vox Humana Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 (Any resemblance with any other place is purely accidental) Do you mean that place that, appropriately enough, starts with a "w" and ends with an "r"? Surely not - not when it has a 2' and mixtures on each manual?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 - not when it has a 2' and mixtures on each manual?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course, the Berliner Dom's Sauer has 2' and mixtures on each manual (Save the Rückpositiv, tough). Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acc Posted May 9, 2006 Share Posted May 9, 2006 not when it has a 2' and mixtures on each manual?! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Oh, but I know of an organ with two 2' stops and mixtures on each of its four manuals and in the pedal, and of which some people would like to get rid of... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Oh, but I know of an organ with two 2' stops and mixtures on each of its four manuals and in the pedal, and of which some people would like to get rid of... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Is this instrument in the UK? My own instrument has two 2p ranks on the Pedal Organ (one of them a reed) and an independent IV-rank quint mixture. However, it only has one 2p stop on each of the clavier divisions. I find that the Pedal ranks in particular, are extremely useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJK Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Is this instrument in the UK? My own instrument has two 2p ranks on the Pedal Organ (one of them a reed) and an independent IV-rank quint mixture. However, it only has one 2p stop on each of the clavier divisions. I find that the Pedal ranks in particular, are extremely useful. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've often wondered, what exactly does one do with a 2ft pedal reed? JJK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 I've often wondered, what exactly does one do with a 2ft pedal reed? JJK <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Many things - chorale preludes, improvisations, descants for psalms (whilst doing something else with your right hand).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Many things - chorale preludes, improvisations, descants for psalms (whilst doing something else with your right hand).... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Poor Bach, that had to do without such things... Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjf1967 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Poor Bach, that had to do without such things... Pierre <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Bach knew many instruments with 2' pedal stops, Pierre...Arnstadt Neue Kirche and Thomaskirche Lepizig among them. Who knows what he did with said 2' stops, but they're on the stoplist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Bach knew many instruments with 2' pedal stops, Pierre...Arnstadt Neue Kirche and Thomaskirche Lepizig among them. Who knows what he did with said 2' stops, but they're on the stoplist. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes. But this was going out of fashion during the very epoch Bach was alive, and he himself often had no Pedal 2' in his "own" organs. The tendancy was towards "Gravität"... Weimar for instance (Modified to suit Bach's wishes): OBERWERK Quintatön 16' (Compenius) Prinzipal 8' (Compenius) Gemshorn 8' (Compenius) Grossgedackt 8' Oktave 4' Quintatön 4' Mixtur 6r Zimbel 3r (Compenius) Glockenspiel UNTERWERK Prinzipal 8' Gedackt 8' (Compenius) Viola di Gamba 8' Oktave 4' Kleingedackt 4' Waldflöte 2' (Compenius) Sesquialtera 4r Trompete 8' (Compenius) PEDAL Gross-Untersatz 32' Subbass 16' Violonbass 16' Prinzipalbass 8' Posaune 16' (Compenius) Trompete 8' Cornet 4' (Reed) Tremulant OW Tremulant UW Tirasse OW UW/OW Cymbelstern If you want more, I have some other Bach organ's specifications. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjf1967 Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Yes. But this was going out of fashion during the very epoch Bach was alive, and he himself often had no Pedal 2' in his "own" organs. The tendancy was towards "Gravität"... Pierre <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [/quote I'm sure you're right about the gravitat, Piere, but in what sense are Arnstadt, Thomaskirche Leipzig or Muhlhausen not one of Bach's 'own' organs? They all had a 2'Cornett in the Pedal department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 LEIPZIG, Thomaskirche (P, H) Main Organ Johann Lange, 1598-1599 Rebuild: Johann Scheibe, 1721-1722 Oberwerk Principal 16' Quintatön 16' Principal 8' Spielpfeife 8' Octava 4' Quinta 2⅔' Superoctava 2' Sesquialtera II doppelt Mixtur VI/X Brust Grobgedackt 8' Principal 4' Nachthorn 4' Nasat 2⅔' Gemshorn 2' Sesquialtera Cymbel II Regal 8' Geigenregal 4' Rückpositiv Principal 8' Lieblich Gedackt 8' Quintatön 8' Klein Gedackt 4' Spitzflöt 4' Traversa 4' Violin 2' Shallflöt 1' Rauschquinte doppelt Sesquialtera Mixtur IV Krumbhorn 16' Trommet 8' Pedal Subbass 16' Posaunenbass 16' Trommetenbass 8' Schallmeyenbass 4' Cornet 2' Accessories Bird Song Zimbelstern Tremulant Of note: Praetorius specifies a Rückpositiv-to- Pedal coupler, but no other coupler is documented We are still far, but then *quite* far, from the 20th century's would-be-Bach organ. You have indeed à Pedal 2', but it is a Reed stop. The only flue is the Subbass... Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Back to French Romantics for a moment - there is a 2' reed on the GO at St Sernin, Toulouse - I would assume for added brilliance in the reed chorus rather than for anything more subtle as far as registration goes. AJJ PS This link is quite fun - nice photos and a bit of Vierne on the video. http://www.xs4all.nl/~twomusic/discography...in/Sernin1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acc Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Is this instrument in the UK? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nope - Belgium. Pierre can probably guess which one I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Nope - Belgium. Pierre can probably guess which one I mean. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Hé hé hé ! About the 2' reeds; does really anyone believe these stops, at St-Sernin as well as the Pedal one at the Thomaskirche Leipzig, were intended for "TI-TU-TI-TA" subtelities? (This said, it is true in organs built before Bach we often found things like: Flues 16-8-2, without 4. These 2'flues where indeed made for Solo use) Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Back to French Romantics for a moment - there is a 2' reed on the GO at St Sernin, Toulouse - I would assume for added brilliance in the reed chorus rather than for anything more subtle as far as registration goes. AJJ PS This link is quite fun - nice photos and a bit of Vierne on the video. http://www.xs4all.nl/~twomusic/discography...in/Sernin1.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Edited blank - see following post. Hmmm, accidental duplication of posts is my least favourite trait of the software on this board. Now I wonder what I do wrong when I get them....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Back to French Romantics for a moment - there is a 2' reed on the GO at St Sernin, Toulouse - I would assume for added brilliance in the reed chorus rather than for anything more subtle as far as registration goes. AJJ PS This link is quite fun - nice photos and a bit of Vierne on the video. http://www.xs4all.nl/~twomusic/discography...in/Sernin1.html <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thank you for the link, Alastair - this is one of my favourite organs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Me too - and Rouen - but only lately re discovered I spent a happy hour yesterday on the new ipod (once the kids had gone to bed) trying to work out what it is about the CC sound that is so interesting. The 'full plus mixtures' etc. is a very complex sound - 'not sure quite what it is about it that makes it so though - maybe the mixture compositions or maybe the tuning! Certainly the harmonics flying about the place certainly make for excitement - the big reeds are only just not too loud! I could listen to Ben Van Oosten's Widor at Rouen over and over again - I've also got Kimberley Marshall playing at Toulouse - odd stuff from Messiaen, Alain etc. but splendid all the same. AJJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusingMuso Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Me too - and Rouen - but only lately re discovered I spent a happy hour yesterday on the new ipod (once the kids had gone to bed) trying to work out what it is about the CC sound that is so interesting. The 'full plus mixtures' etc. is a very complex sound - 'not sure quite what it is about it that makes it so though - maybe the mixture compositions or maybe the tuning! Certainly the harmonics flying about the place certainly make for excitement - the big reeds are only just not too loud! I could listen to Ben Van Oosten's Widor at Rouen over and over again - I've also got Kimberley Marshall playing at Toulouse - odd stuff from Messiaen, Alain etc. but splendid all the same. AJJ <{POST_SNAPBACK}> ========================= Sorry to be a party-pooper, but I find anything above about 'mf' rather coarse on C-C organs. Blackburn is infinitely better in almost all respects IMHO. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acc Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 I've also got Kimberley Marshall playing at Toulouse - odd stuff from Messiaen, Alain etc. but splendid all the same. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Splendid recording indeed - probably the best Dupré P&F in B on the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heva Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 Splendid recording indeed - probably the best Dupré P&F in B on the market. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> After Cochereau's of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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