SomeChap
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Some really good things coming through now, including quite a few I had no idea of! The Highnam one presents a query: are we allowing it if it's not a proper architectural case? In the mean time, Bolton Parish Church, another A G Hill design:
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.... and there's St Michael's Framlingham of course (a bit better known on this board no doubt):
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This is a terrible photo but it's the only one I can find of St Andrew the Less, Cambridge. The organ and the church are both at risk:
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Oh you must go to Clumber. It's a truly wonderful park (the Duke of Newcastle's I think) and that's just the Quire of the chapel, which is a bonsai cathedral. The organ is a sizeable unspoiled 3-manual G&D, absolutely superb. Edited to add: it's just off the A1 north of Newark
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Another one I forgot about is Clumber Chapel in Nottinghamshire (Gray and Davison, 1880s(?); I've put two photos here because you really need to see the organ in context:
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Dublin is hardly off the beaten track but this one wasn't on my radar until recently. It's in the Public Hall of Trinity College, Dublin. The organ is new (Goetze and Gwynn) but the cases are old so I think it counts!
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Bang on mate. Ah, bucolic, rural, sleepy, forgotten Sydney ....
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The first few posts from this old thread include some very interesting comments on manual transmission, including some very detailed descriptions from Mr Mander himself! (It goes pretty quickly off topic after that though.)
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Might I make a suggestion that we restrict this list to make it more interesting. For example, we all know that there is a beautiful organ case in King's College Chapel Cambridge, and in any number of major Dutch and German churches - it's too easy! So, proposed restrictions: what do you think? - 1. Stick to organs off the beaten track (especially ones which other organists might not be aware of). 2. Stick to organs in anglophone countries (notorious for their overwhelming majority of horrible organ cases). 3. Avoid organs built since, say 1985. (Modern organs have cases which range from the smart to the exquisite.) Bonus points for 19th / early 20th century organs having genuinely beautiful cases. With that in mind, my entries would be: St Nicholas, Stanford on Avon: Holy Trinity Staunton Harold - A lovely modernist organ case at St Michael's Coxwold: All Saints, South Pickenham: St Michael and All Angels, Brownsover ( a stunning organ case based on the 1660 Thamar chair case from St John's College Cambridge): OK, last one (this one's Victorian I think): St Miichael, Barton-le-street -
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Sorry to resurrect an ancient topic; I found the posts on mechanical transmission helpful. Please can anyone point me to a diagram of how the double-palette transmission mechanism works? From the description on here I can see how having two palettes allows any stops drawn on one department to be playable from more than one keyboard simultaneously but I can't picture how stop control then works (ie how can each stop be available on one and not on the other?) Have I got it all wrapped around my neck? Second question for anyone who's super-knowledgeable: is it possible to retrospectively fit a double-palette transmission, or is it something the soundboard needs to have been designed for expressly? Presumably a second set of trackers is necessary for the borrowing department? Thanks in advance.
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I thought the 1990s work was pretty major and could be thought of as a thorough rebuild? I agree that it really needs a proper nave organ actually in the nave; that organ has been tinkered with so much to try and get sound out to the west, surely everything possible from the pulpitum has now been tried and found insufficient (raised pressures, baffles, extra west divisions, modifications to the layout etc etc)? Whisper it: for a cheap and dirty solution which doesn't clutter up the Nave arcading or floor, what about some microphones above the organ and some speakers in the Nave triforium? [Runs and hides]
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Thanks - tempted to look up the Piet Kee recording. There is also a good disk of Krebs by Gerhard Gnann on Naxos (£8 on Amazon UK - might also be on Spotify etc?); it was my introduction to the Weingarten organ if that's of any interest to anyone. SC
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Thanks Colin, that is indeed an extraordinary Vox. Here's another splendid view which was hiding at the back of my mind but I couldn't put my finger on at the time - Cologne, St Cunibert (Kuhn, 1993).
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Or what about the Compenius at Frederiksborg?
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Ooh, here's a good one: Organist's-eye view from Weingarten. Make sure you ook up to see the grape-bells above your head. Bonus: conductor's-eye view from the other side of the console.
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... c1700 Gerard Smith at Wollaton Hall ...
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Given that the OP specified Organ Lofts, I'm not sure nave consoles count, but the one at St Eustache in Paris seems to get a fair bit of tourist attention so I thought I'd include it - there are a few amateur panos on street-view, most of them of poor quality but this is probably the best of the bunch.
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... aha, and St Wulfram's Grantham, complete with organist.
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If something's worth doing, it's worth doing properly! Mea culpa, I forgot St Philip's Cathedral, Birmingham
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Ten out of ten for flagging up the Elbphilharmonie! I think they've done an amazing job of blending the organ in with the building's architecture. You get to see both consoles as well! You can get up, close and personal with the Bridgewater Hall Marcussen as well, though sadly the console is shut up. You can also get fairly close to the Hill in Sydney Town Hall, and the Elton John organ at the RAM Otherwise I can only find organs which are easily accessible from the floor of the building they stand in, like the RC shrine in Walsingham If we're allowed to include 3rd-party panoramas from other street-view users (as opposed to real street-view captures then I can give you a nice view of the two organs at Douai Abbey, and the Woodstock at Fotheringhay,. the Letourneau at Pembroke college Oxford and the Kenneth Jones at Great St Mary's in Cambridge. Across the north see you can get a good look at the Koororgel in the Bovenkerk in Kampen
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OK, not quite in the same league but you can see the back of the organ console of Derby Cathedral here: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Derby+Cathedral/@52.9249033,-1.4772985,3a,75y,118.9h,78.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipMQ7r3BNRd6pvs3AQq36Y3jzREUkPelXVAvn88V!2e10!3e11!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4879f13e1ad62337:0x4b652586d98716fc!8m2!3d52.924812!4d-1.477404?hl=en Quite a few of the cathedrals have been street-viewed inside, it turns out - Lincoln, Norwich, Canterbury, Derby, Gloucester, Durham, Southwark, St Edmundsbury, Chelmsford, Wells and possibly others (not Ely, St Paul's (except the crypt, whispering gallery and dome!), York, Carlisle, Exeter, Chester, Worcester, Truro, Rochester, St Alban's, Chichester, Hereford, Southwell or Salisbury if that saves anyone some time!).
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Oh, hijack away by all means: it's not as though I'm trying to answer any serious academic questions! I will make sure I stuff my face with assess the pork pies next time I'm in Beverley. Still interested in any organ-related Google-Street-view nuggets though if anyone has come across them!
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Is Beverley Minster the only organ-loft to have been mapped on Google Street View? https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Beverley+Minster/@53.8392407,-0.4246845,3a,75y,111.54h,64.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sAF1QipN-soByCvrxpRh64R6pfi7qmCtxhPvCPA3cOH7-!2e10!3e11!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x4878c7100feffffd:0xf085449cfe09d50a!8m2!3d53.8392946!4d-0.4244797 (Edited to add: unless I'm mistaken that's the Buxtehude Jig Fugue on the music desk! Anyone know who's playing? He looks justifiably pleased with himself!)
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Disclaimer: I don't know the Canterbury organ well, so do bring me up to speed if I'm misjudging, But the list in the link does raise quite a few questions to me ... First, there's really not much in the way of mutations. That great piccolo would need to be seriously beautiful in order to be more useful than a tierce. Actually, there's a piccolo on every manual! Similar goes for the two mixtures on the swell. No Swell 15th? Is the choir going to be enclosed? What's a celestina? French horn, ophicleide AND tuba on the solo? Prima Facie, the pedal appears a bit spartan when it comes to quiet stops at 8 and 4 (though it might be fine in practice, I don't know), but I would have thought a little manual borrowing could be useful. It might be useful to have some of the Swell reeds available on the pedal too. It seems a shame not to take the opportunity to have a manual double or a reed in the Nave organ - it looks very 1970s on paper (though I do like the case-work). I much prefer the scheme for the transept organ. I'd have thought in an heroic nave like Canterbury you'd really benefit from something a fair bit more beefy, maybe: 16 * Bourdon 8 * Open Diapason 8 * Stopped Diapason 5 1/3 Quint 4 * Principal 4 Flute 2 2/3 Twelfth 2 Fifteenth 1 3/5 Tierce IV Mixture 16 * Trombone 8 * Trumpet 4 * Clarion * Stops also available on Pedals. Some stops enclosed? Possibly even extend the trombone down an octave for the pedals? How well does the nave organ work in practice? Will there be a nave console? It sounds like the new console is going to be much less well connected with the nave. Can anyone comment on why a transept organ is considered necessary? Thanks for any insights!
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.... steering back to toasters in the Vatican, I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be a medium-term temporary solution. It went in very quickly, and it's apparently good enough for now, but the Capella Sistina is quite a serious set-up these days and they may well want something better before too long?