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  1. In a slightly vague response this occurance of choir pits got me thinking. I have certainly come across choir stalls in chancels of earlier buildings rebuilt/restored in the 19th cent or indeed of wholly new 19th cent buildings where from a solid/tiled floor immediately on entering the choir stalls one stands on floor boards with what would seem like a void underneath. I never really gave it a thought except that there might be some heating pipes underneath. Now I wonder... (Apologies - I can't give you a specific place at the moment, the memory fails!!)
  2. One thought: now that continuity seems to be guaranteed and this forum will continue do you think those that left to join another forum might be tempted back? Could we inform/encourage them?
  3. Swell boxes: opinions, experiences and any factual information please. In particular, a) the real or apparent effect of the Hill style box (cottage roof or Dog Kennel) in contrast to a large rectangular box, b) construction - mainly the substance and interior - painted, lined with paper, reflective paint, plain wood etc., c) Number of shutters in proportion to the frontage and thickness thereof, d) How far they should open and in which direction ie an organ on the north side - should they open eastwards, westwards, upwards or downwards, and how much difference does that mak
  4. Was this not, 'Hear my Words ye people' ?
  5. All Saints' Church, Cheltenham, Glos. Hill organ, 1887. Above shows the main case on the east wall of the north transept (containing the Great) designed by Dr A Hill. Below is the chancel great case designed by H. Prothero (successor to A. Middleton, the architect of the church - 1868). A question: Does anyone know of any other Hill organ cases with integral statuary, or is this unique?
  6. When dealing with undulating ranks, where should the de-tuned rank be placed? I have read that the unison and sharp/flat rank should be separated by (at least?) one other rank. On the other hand there are compound two-rank celestes stops which must have both sets of pipes on the same slide, together. Does it matter? Advice please.
  7. Granted, the specification cited is unusual but it might just have been a 'one-off'. Also, to be noted is that the NPOR cannot, unfortunately, be totally relied upon; there are many errors and a good deal of it is not up-to-date. I understand what you say about the 'Harmonics' and the designation 'Tierce' but I have never seen a even a note made in this way. If it was a 17,19,22 or 17,19,b21,22 mixture then the usual nomenclature is merely 'Harmonics' or if on the pedal and by Compton, 'Harmonics of 32'. The use of 'Harmonic Piccolo 2' is quite a usual label so the noting of stops would b
  8. I was desperately trying to remember where this one was and by chance came across it just now! It's not on the great division - to answer the original question - but unusual non-the-less. I think the instrument was listed as redundant a little while ago: I don't know what, if anything, has happened to it. http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=N01505
  9. Ummmmm....ah....well.....yes...no...maybe...! The Euphonium was added in 1901 as something to back-up the great and be a reed for that division (originally the Tuba Mirabilis was on 8" wind and was supposed to be the final addition to full organ - it wasn't a fog-horn! and has always been enclosed). The Euph. pipes are high up in the chamber behind the wall on the other side of which the great organ is placed. The pipes are noted in the shop book to be of thick plain metal. They are on the same pressure as the tuba (raised to 10" c.1921) and are the same scale with harmonic trebles. It was ca
  10. Ha! Wonderful to be intriguing. It's no secret, in fact it's far better more people know so that they can come along (although Canada is a little far away). All Saints', Cheltenham. Where Gustav Holst was Baptised and grew up, wrote some very early organ pieces, and his father, Adolphe von Holst was married and was first organist. Anyone is very welcome to join us or visit the very fine Grade I church (John Middleton) and play the organ.
  11. That's fascinating. Do tell more; PM me if you'd like!
  12. Well, if it is, there will be far fewer people attending and before that happens there will alomost certainly be a battle or two from members of the congregation, choir and, not least, the D of Mus! We are probably the only church in the area to offer a mass setting and motet, with a fully choral evensing every week! F-W
  13. Thanks to all for the suggestions. I still haven't seen anything concerning the service (which is on Jan 22nd!) but I have learned (3rd hand) that there will be no anthem; just hymns - six of them! Christ triumphant, ever reigning - Great The Lord's my shepherd I'll not want - Not sure I know it (Stuart Townend setting) Be thou my vision - Oh dear, not again! O thou who camest from above - Great I The Lord of sea and sky - Oh no! Let us build a house where love can dwell - What? I don't suppose anyone has an outragious version of 'I the Lord of sea and sky'? We don't have it often, it's n
  14. Dear all, Following on from the Credo settings I wonder if m'learned friends out there have any suggestions for music for an Induction service? We have a new team rector coming at the end of January. Suggestions for organ music, but more especially choral, would be welcome. It may be that we have to have choir members from the other churches and therefore will limit our contribution but for now any suggestions are welcome! Happy New Year to all! F-W
  15. I don't suppose anyone has an arrangement of the Haydn Trumpet Concerto for organ which they would be willing to scan for me or know of an arrangement available swiftly? I need it for a wedding on Friday(!). F-W
  16. St Mary's Pz is indeed a whopper - far too big for the church. In Oxford it was free-standing on the stone choir screen in a large building. It moved to Pz and was placed on a west gallery the sound being reflected down into a - not small but - much smaller building. The result is very unsatisfactory. So much to use but you dare not! The stock-piled pipework came from up the road. St Paul's church had closed in 2000 and the Robson/Hele organ was partly dismantled and there was the idea of replacing some of the 'Oxford' pipework with that from St Pauls' to help make the organ a little more
  17. This got me thinking. We have a B & F here in Cheltenham, http://npor.rcm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/Rsearch.cgi?...ec_index=N07458 I'll see if I can get in to see it sometime soon. (Also should be getting into the Town Hall in the next few days, http://npor.rcm.ac.uk/cgi-bin/Rsearch.cgi?...ec_index=N07449 'rubbished' by quite a few but i am beginnig to think otherwise). F-W
  18. Yes and no. I live in Cheltenham and have played the organ in the Town Hall but only with orchestra in choral works which provide for organ backing/filling out. I didn't have much time to try it out in any detail but I can't say that I found anything 'wrong' with it apart from a couple of notes not playing, one on either of the Gt Diapasons. The pneumatic action works well enough but will require attention in the not too distant future. In fact it made rather a good sound, quite powerful and rich. It is well laid out in a very spacious area raised up behind the choral seating and designed, so
  19. father-willis


    I wonder if anyone can help? As it is a Liszt anniversary year I thought I would learn something else by him. I already play the P + F on 'BACH', the Db 'consolation' and a few other trifles. So I have decided to learn the 'Ad nos'. I have the 'Universal' edition but have discovered already a couple of clear misprints. Those that play it; what is the best or most authoritative edition? Having listened to a couple of recordings there are differences in the notes as well as interpretation. Help! F-W
  20. [sorry, 'father.willis', no redundant 32' stops. ] Ha! never mind. thank you for keeping it in mind though. F-W
  21. As noted above on the 'Grove' the wind pressures are recorded as: The Organ, no.141 Volume XXXVI page 17 Great Flues 4.5" Great Reeds 8" Swell Flues 5" Swell Reeds 8" Choir All 4" Solo Flues 6" Solo Reeds 16" Pedal Flues 5" Pedal Reeds 16" But there must be some confusion here. Perhaps H. Stubbington is recording what the pressures would be in the completed/combined organs. I remember talk about some wind pressures with John Budgen when I helped put in the replacement tuba on the Milton/apse solo. That rank came from the Norman & Beard organ of Christ Church, Lancaster
  22. Tewkesbury is very much a case in point. Carlton Michell deliberately designed the organ now known as The Grove to combine Lewis-style fluework and Willis-style reeds - i.e. both musical thrills contained within one (relatively small) specification. Well, yes and no! I think that the official guide to the organs does/did say something like this; that the Grove organ possessed Schulze style diapasons and Willis type reeds. I'm not entirely sure where this came from (I did know but have forgotten and I can't find the reference easily at the moment) but it could have been Clutton & Ni
  23. I'm afraid to say that after all the rehearsal, blood, sweat and tears(!) this had to be cancelled. Not having sufferred much suddenly we were hit by the cold, snow and ice in this part of Gloucestershire. Ah well, there's next years carol service ready!(probably not) but we shall be able to use parts during Christmass-tide. A very Merry Christmass to our hosts and all board members! F-W
  24. All Saints', Cheltenham, tomorrow (Sunday 19th) 6.30pm: Once in Royal David’s city Bidding Prayer God rest ye merry, gentlemen - arr Wilcocks 2nd Lesson Ave Maria – F. Biebl 3rd Lesson I sing of a maiden – P. Hadley 4th Lesson O Little Town of Bethlehem 5th Lesson The Lord of all – R. Walker 6th Lesson While shepherds watched Sussex carol - arr Ledger 7th Lesson Child of the stable’s secret birth – A. Caesar, arr C. Luke 8th Lesson And the glory of the Lord – G. F. Handel Responsory – Verbum caro factu
  25. OK, I am really just interested in how they work and where they do exist/work how they are constituted. But let's say it's on a large later nineteenth century English romantic organ (something by Hill maybe) in a fairly large English church. Ideas? F-W
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