Pierre Lauwers Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This was recorded on a 1996-built organ: http://pipeorgan.jp/av/cube/elgar_sonat_mov1_45.mp3 Of course there are still some overly high-pitched Mixtures, and the reeds might need a bit more "finish", but the design is sound indeed ! Note the Full-Swell, rather satisfying. Now the goal is to obtain that with 25 to 50 stops -after all Ely, W..., Tewkesbury etc were no huge organs-! Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This was recorded on a 1996-built organ: http://pipeorgan.jp/av/cube/elgar_sonat_mov1_45.mp3 Of course there are still some overly high-pitched Mixtures, and the reeds might need a bit more "finish", but the design is sound indeed ! Note the Full-Swell, rather satisfying. Now the goal is to obtain that with 25 to 50 stops -after all Ely, W..., Tewkesbury etc were no huge organs-! Pierre Well, they were all larger than this! Worcester was the smallest at fifty-five stops, then Tewkesbury, with sixty-seven. Ely was the largest at nearly seventy stops. It is also worthy of note that the FHW organ of Truro Cathedral has but forty-five speaking stops, yet it is comparable in output with many cathedral organs which are somewhat larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 I apologize I have slightly different data, Pcnd, Tewkesbury, as Michell & Thynne left it: 35 stops. Ely Cathedral, as Arthur Harrison left it: 57 stops. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john carter Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This was recorded on a 1996-built organ: http://pipeorgan.jp/av/cube/elgar_sonat_mov1_45.mp3 Of course there are still some overly high-pitched Mixtures, and the reeds might need a bit more "finish", but the design is sound indeed ! Note the Full-Swell, rather satisfying. Now the goal is to obtain that with 25 to 50 stops -after all Ely, W..., Tewkesbury etc were no huge organs-! Pierre Do you have any more details about this instrument please, Pierre? JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 See here: http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~jubal/swm/swm-e.html The builder is Obayashi & Jubal (1996), Japan. About the builder: http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~jubal/cvto-e.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McVeigh Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The Milton organ in Tewkesbury is best organ I've played, apart from the choir organ in L'église de la Madeleine, Paris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well, the Tewkesbury organ I talked about is of course the "Groove" one. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwhodges Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Well, the Tewkesbury organ I talked about is of course the "Groove" one. "Grove" actually. A gorgeous instrument - I still like to listen from time to time to a recording of the 1981 reopening recital by Francis Jackson. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 18, 2007 Author Share Posted October 18, 2007 "Grove" actually. A gorgeous instrument - I still like to listen from time to time to a recording of the 1981 reopening recital by Francis Jackson. Paul Such a recording exists???? (Mind you, I was there 1979.....And so never heard it!) Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwhodges Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Such a recording exists???? Yes - you could order it at the end of the recital. As far as I know it has never been made available again. It's an OK recording marred by mediocre cassette duplication. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I apologize I have slightly different data, Pcnd, Tewkesbury, as Michell & Thynne left it: 35 stops. Ely Cathedral, as Arthur Harrison left it: 57 stops. Pierre Tewkesbury - ah, you did not specify which instrument! Ely - your information is incorrect; as Arthur Harrison left it, this instrument possessed sixty-nine speaking stops. If you desire, I am happy to scan the full specification (which includes a list of accessories and wind pressures), and e-mail it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john carter Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This was recorded on a 1996-built organ: http://pipeorgan.jp/av/cube/elgar_sonat_mov1_45.mp3 Of course there are still some overly high-pitched Mixtures, and the reeds might need a bit more "finish", but the design is sound indeed ! Note the Full-Swell, rather satisfying. Now the goal is to obtain that with 25 to 50 stops -after all Ely, W..., Tewkesbury etc were no huge organs-! Pierre I have now listened to this recording two or three times and I'm sorry to say that I don't particularly like it. It may perhaps be the performance, which from first hearing I found aggressive and lacking character. (I have only just realised who is playing.) As for the full swell, it doesn't give me the thrilling impression of restrained power that you hear at, for example, Salisbury. However, it's interesting to see and hear the type of instrument that was chosen for this extraordinary building. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Barry Williams Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 This was recorded on a 1996-built organ: http://pipeorgan.jp/av/cube/elgar_sonat_mov1_45.mp3 Of course there are still some overly high-pitched Mixtures, and the reeds might need a bit more "finish", but the design is sound indeed ! Note the Full-Swell, rather satisfying. Now the goal is to obtain that with 25 to 50 stops -after all Ely, W..., Tewkesbury etc were no huge organs-! Pierre Please tell us who is playing and on which instrument. Barry Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john carter Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Please tell us who is playing and on which instrument. Barry Williams Concert Hall in Shiroishi City, Japan. Carlo Curley. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 I have now listened to this recording two or three times and I'm sorry to say that I don't particularly like it. It may perhaps be the performance, which from first hearing I found aggressive and lacking character. (I have only just realised who is playing.) As for the full swell, it doesn't give me the thrilling impression of restrained power that you hear at, for example, Salisbury. However, it's interesting to see and hear the type of instrument that was chosen for this extraordinary building.JC I have to say that I do not like it either. Aside from the fact that there are clearly mistakes and clipped notes, the speeds are too wayward - and in any case, the initial pulse is excessively fast. I am sorry to say that I find the performance to be unmusical. There are, in addition, several clumsy changes of registration; for example, places in which the full Swell comes bursting out of its cage - and promptly punches the listener on the nose.... Instead, I recommend the superb (and for me, definitive) recording of this piece by Herbert Sumsion on the former instrument in Gloucester Cathedral.* The organ fits the music (and the building) like an old, well-worn glove and the playing is simply better controlled, more approriate in style - and more musical. This is not quite my idea of the most suitable instrument on which to perform this piece: http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~jubal/swm/sispec-e.html * Which, I believe, has been re-mastered and re-released on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The Milton organ in Tewkesbury is best organ I've played, apart from the choir organ in L'église de la Madeleine, Paris. This latter instrument is quite pleasant - but it cannot really compete with the Van Den Heuvel organ in S. Eustache, Paris - or the superb old Cavaillé-Coll in S. Etienne, Caen. Or, for that matter, the fantastic, exciting and utterly musical instrument by H&H in Coventry Cathedral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 19, 2007 Author Share Posted October 19, 2007 Tewkesbury - ah, you did not specify which instrument! Ely - your information is incorrect; as Arthur Harrison left it, this instrument possessed sixty-nine speaking stops. If you desire, I am happy to scan the full specification (which includes a list of accessories and wind pressures), and e-mail it to you. See here: http://www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/schemes/dixon/ely.htm Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcnd5584 Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 See here: http://www.ondamar.demon.co.uk/schemes/dixon/ely.htm Pierre Yes - there are sixty-nine speaking stops on this instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Ball Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 This is not quite my idea of the most suitable instrument on which to perform this piece: http://www.lares.dti.ne.jp/~jubal/swm/sispec-e.html * Which, I believe, has been re-mastered and re-released on CD.[/font] I'm afraid I have to agree. The performance has been referred to above; the organ looks like a generic American 'classic' from the 1980s, but the sound (and even Carlo's frequent changes of colour) doesn't give the impression of anything more than a modest 3-manual. Perhaps it's the acoustic, or compression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cynic Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Caution: Off at a tangent! I notice from the website we were sent to, a number of tracks were apparently recorded by Paulo Pauloni. I has previously assumed that this organist was a creation (in fiction) of the late Stephen Bicknell. Does PP really exist, shock horror? Does anyone know? I had always assumed that Stephen himself did not play, but maybe these are recordings he made. If there exists a real PP, some of Stephen's writings are less funny and more worrying that previously understood! The Stephen Bicknell character of PP, I had assumed (I think I had even been told somewhere) is based on Carlo Curley but these performances cannot be his - he is credited with others correctly - including that rather strange Elgar we were invited to enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Farr Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Caution: Off at a tangent! I notice from the website we were sent to, a number of tracks were apparently recorded by Paulo Pauloni. I has previously assumed that this organist was a creation (in fiction) of the late Stephen Bicknell. Does PP really exist, shock horror? Does anyone know? I had always assumed that Stephen himself did not play, but maybe these are recordings he made. If there exists a real PP, some of Stephen's writings are less funny and more worrying that previously understood! The Stephen Bicknell character of PP, I had assumed (I think I had even been told somewhere) is based on Carlo Curley but these performances cannot be his - he is credited with others correctly - including that rather strange Elgar we were invited to enjoy. Or could it be a 3rd person, familiar with Stephen's stories, who has assumed the character by way of a nom de plume (or, rather, a nom de clavier)? I haven't looked for any of these recordings, but would suggest that this - 3rd party adoption - would be in rather poor taste if done after Stephen's recent demise, and with knowledge of the event. I sincerely hope this isn't the case. Rgds, MJF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Lauwers Posted October 19, 2007 Author Share Posted October 19, 2007 Yes - there are sixty-nine speaking stops on this instrument. See again the Pedal....Only two stops there ! (the rest= borrowings and extensions...) As for the Elgar, I did not post it for the playing (which is not my business), but for the sound. Pierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john carter Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I recommend the superb (and for me, definitive) recording of this piece by Herbert Sumsion on the former instrument in Gloucester Cathedral.* The organ fits the music (and the building) like an old, well-worn glove and the playing is simply better controlled, more approriate in style - and more musical. * Which, I believe, has been re-mastered and re-released on CD. The only CD of the Sumsion recording that I can find is on EMI Classics and is rather expensive. Is it good enough to justify a price tag of £35 for a mid-sixties recording? Currently my favourite is the version that is on Thomas Trotter's recent Elgar CD on the Regent label, recorded at Salisbury. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Morley Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 The only CD of the Sumsion recording that I can find is on EMI Classics and is rather expensive. Is it good enough to justify a price tag of £35 for a mid-sixties recording? Currently my favourite is the version that is on Thomas Trotter's recent Elgar CD on the Regent label, recorded at Salisbury.JC The Sumsion Elgar recording is also used as a filler on an EMI reissue of Elgar choral music. Will furnish more details when I am back in the same postal distict as my CD collection. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Ball Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 At risk of appearing provocative, there are colours more lovely and characterful here (than The Cube, not Old Gloster!): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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