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Richard Fairhurst Member

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Seven years does seem an awfully long time given that there's only 185 new items compared to NEH. That's a fortnight to edit each hymn. (Yes, I know the selection will have taken a long time too, but still...)

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sbarber49 Advanced Member

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On 16/09/2015 at 09:54, Richard Fairhurst said:

As a very belated followup to this topic, would-be purchasers of hymnbooks might be interested to learn that a new version, the Revised English Hymnal, is in preparation. Publication is expected in 2017.

Latest release date is 31st July 2023!

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Dafydd y Garreg Wen Advanced Member

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16 hours ago, sbarber49 said:

Now 29th September 2023

Beyond ridiculous.

Amazon is now displaying this date, but the dedicated Revised English Hymnal website is still saying end of July!

The Canterbury Press website says “after 30/06/2023” (well, I suppose that strictly speaking 20th September *is* after 30th June …).

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On 14/09/2023 at 08:17, Dafydd y Garreg Wen said:

I note that the 29th September date has slipped. What a surprise!

Amazon is reporting 30th October, but https://reh.hymnsam.co.uk/ is more cautious: “We anticipate REH should be in our warehouse in Norwich in November.”

Amazon now going for 30th November.

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Dafydd y Garreg Wen Advanced Member

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It may finally be happening:

https://reh.hymnsam.co.uk/what-is-being-published/

Revised English Hymnal will be launched on Wednesday 29th November 2023.

Come Sing Revised English Hymnal will include congregational singing of a selection from the new hymnal followed by a drinks reception.

Wednesday 29th November 2023, 6pm-9pm.  St James Church, Sussex Gardens, Paddington London W2 3UD

RSVP  to Michael Addison [email protected] by Wednesday 22nd November 2023.

All are welcome but capacity is restricted to the first 250 respondents.   

The Full Music edition will be available for sale on the night.

 

Richard Fairhurst Member

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Five Howells hymn tunes in the index, including some real rarities. The Langlais appears to have gone, sadly.

(But what's with mangling the last couplet of "Hark, what a sound" in the sampler? The dread hand of "Editors" strikes again...)

Dafydd y Garreg Wen Advanced Member

Dafydd y Garreg Wen

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10 hours ago, Richard Fairhurst said:

The Langlais appears to have gone, sadly.

???

10 hours ago, Richard Fairhurst said:

(But what's with mangling the last couplet of "Hark, what a sound" in the sampler? The dread hand of "Editors" strikes again...)

Sigh.

I had the impression that this edition was going to undo some of the unnecessary editorial fidgeting seen in the New English Hymnal.

Clive James is good on “fidget”:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6368477.stm

Ironic that the original English Hymnal made a point (unusually at that date) of restoring authors’ original texts.

Richard Fairhurst Member

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The original contents list, still on the REH website, had "God, your glory we have seen" which is sung to a rather striking tune by Langlais - it's in the 70s New Catholic Hymnal which is full of neglected wonders (including "In manas tuas", probably my favourite Howells hymn tune; and Michael Dawney's "Felinfoel", for "See, Christ was wounded for our sake").

But unfortunately it doesn't seem to have made it into the final REH selection.

Martin Cooke Advanced Member

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11 hours ago, Richard Fairhurst said:

The Langlais appears to have gone, sadly.

🤔 Sorry... what's 'The Langlais'? I can't find reference to any Langlais in my present edition of NEH - at least, I don't think so. 

Martin Cooke Advanced Member

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4 minutes ago, Richard Fairhurst said:

The original contents list, still on the REH website, had "God, your glory we have seen" which is sung to a rather striking tune by Langlais - it's in the 70s New Catholic Hymnal which is full of neglected wonders (including "In manas tuas", probably my favourite Howells hymn tune; and Michael Dawney's "Felinfoel", for "See, Christ was wounded for our sake").

But unfortunately it doesn't seem to have made it into the final REH selection.

Thanks, Richard - our postings crossed in the, um... post! Is there any means of seeing this tune apart from via the New Catholic Hymnal? 

Richard Fairhurst Member

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Here you go. It's otherwise out-of-print as far as I can tell.

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(If you can find a full music edition of NCH I would strongly recommend it. Like the Cambridge Hymnal from the same era, it's an attempt to do something "properly musical" while still appealing to the congregation. It seems a shame that modern hymn books have become rather conservative musically - perhaps best exemplified by NEH/REH compared to the culture shock of the original English Hymnal.)

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4 minutes ago, Martin Cooke said:

Thanks, Richard - our postings crossed in the, um... post! Is there any means of seeing this tune apart from via the New Catholic Hymnal? 

Gosh! I'm struggling to find much reference to The New Catholic Hymnal online - just the occasional melody edition. From Richard's post, it sounds as though one needs one urgently for the Langlais tune and the Howells... at the very least. Something on the Hyperion site says that HH wrote two tunes for the NCH in 1968. Richard - any chance you could just clarify what tunes these are and if they are published/included elsewhere?

Richard Fairhurst Member

Richard Fairhurst

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They're "Norfolk" to "With wonder, Lord, we see your works"; and "In manus tuas" to "This world, my God, is held within your hand". Neither published elsewhere as far as I know.

Published Howells hymn tunes are:

  • 'Michael' obviously - there's a Howells-written descant in English Praise
  • 'Love Divine' (Church Music Society booklet, still in print)
  • 'St Briavels' (1925 edition of Songs of Praise; scans exist online)
  • 'Severn' (1931 edition of Songs of Praise, replaced St Briavels; scans exist online)
  • 'Salisbury' (NEH, REH, Hymns for Church and School 1962)
  • 'Sancta civitas' (AMNS, REH, Hymns for Church and School 1962)
  • 'Erwin' (Cambridge Hymnal, may be available as a custom offprint)
  • 'Kensington' (REH, Methodist Hymns & Songs, may be available as a custom offprint)
  • 'In manus tuas' (NCH)
  • 'Norfolk' (NCH)
  • 'Twigworth' (Hymns for Church and School 1962, Methodist Hymns & Songs, may be available as a custom offprint)
  • 'Newnham' (REH, Hymns for Church and School 1962, Rejoice in the Lord)

There are apparently half a dozen unpublished tunes. I've seen a couple of them which are not massively interesting other than for the completist (guilty as charged). There's a list at page 126 of http://etheses.dur.ac.uk/2860/1/2860_945.pdf.

Rowland Wateridge Advanced Member

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Something very different, and rather splendid, Welsh chapel or very large male choirs at the RAH: Arwel Hughes’ wonderful “Tydi, a Roddaist”, No 364, in both Welsh and English.   There is much else of course, but this stood out as the most surprising new entry. 

Dafydd y Garreg Wen Advanced Member

Dafydd y Garreg Wen

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10 minutes ago, Rowland Wateridge said:

Something very different, and rather splendid, Welsh chapel or very large male choirs at the RAH: Arwel Hughes’ wonderful “Tydi, a Roddaist”, No 364, in both Welsh and English.   There is much else of course, but this stood out as the most surprising new entry. 

Pity they chose the wrong tune for Dyma gariad fel y moroedd 😉😉😉

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8 minutes ago, Dafydd y Garreg Wen said:

Pity they chose the wrong tune for Dyma gariad fel y moroedd 😉😉😉

Maybe Rowan Williams, who knows a thing or two about hymns, music, and Welsh, has a different opinion.

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