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  1. I absolutely agree; I think the organ, played sensitively, can make a very positive contribution to a “mixed” consort of the type I often work with, eg trumpet, trombone, violin, cello, acoustic guitar, cajón.
  2. Don’t think of it as hard. Sure, it’s got a lot of fast notes which are supposed to be sempre staccato, but start well under speed. There are some particularly awkward patterns—I suggest you don’t settle on a definitive fingering for those straight away—get the music in your head first. Registration is awkward, don’t worry about that while your learning the notes. Some people swear by switching the hands over near the end when the LH is high up—that’s a matter of personal preference. A little as often as you can would be my recommendation. Start hands separately!
  3. That’s a lot of money! But I suppose a reconstruction, with all the research involved and not being able to use many of the standard procedures of the current builders, might be double the cost of a normal new instrument, and it does have a very large number of 16' stops (6 on the manuals and 5 on the pedal) and 3 32' stops on the pedal.
  4. I was being sarcastic. I am a serial offender too. My Music History tutor criticised me for my “butterfly brain” and nothing has changed in 40 years since.
  5. Where’s the discussion policeman when we need him! Blimey, I thought Usenet was bad in the old days.
  6. I was very interested in the thoughts behind deciding on a 1-manual instrument. There is indeed a huge repertoire that would be playable on this instrument, especially with the low G and A.
  7. “E major is much more attractive than F”—at the risk of opening a can of worms <sound effect> this is debatable. Bach’s Italian Concerto, most of Brandenburg Concerto No. 1, Beethoven’s Pastoral Symphony, his string quartet Op. 59 No.1 and his “Spring” sonata for piano and violin, much of Handel’s “Water Music” and Messiah, Brahms’s 3rd Symphony, Dvorak’s “American” string quartet, the second movement of Messiaen’s “L’Ascension”, and a host of other pieces would, I suggest, prove the opposite. There is nothing intrinsic about E or F, particularly in 12-tone equal temperament, which is wh
  8. I can’t link to the story, it’s behind a paywall, but there’s an article in today’s Times by Richard Morrison that says that because of a massive deficit St John’s, Smith Square is likely to close next year as a concert venue, 50 years after it opened. I know the Klais organ is generally felt to be over-loud and too large for the space but it would be a double tragedy if such an instrument could not be found a new home.
  9. As long as the organ is close to 440Hz at 18ºC you should be ok for tuning. Competent trumpeters should be used to playing with organ.
  10. There are headphones by the console in Windsor. I’ve always been too scared to use them but it generally takes me at least one service there to play far enough ahead of what I can hear for the conductor to stop nagging!
  11. I agree with what’s already been said. If you want to stretch yourself try playing hymns as four part pieces. The basic way is soprano in the right hand, alto and tenor in the left, and bass in the pedals. Once you’re secure on that start mixing it up. Soprano in the pedal, bass and tenor in the LH, alto in the RH. Etc. One common fault in organists is a weak sense of rhythm. Take any chance you can of playing in situations where it’s vital that you keep good time. Don’t just play the organ, play piano in theatre shows, play percussion in orchestras. And sing. Even if you have no tr
  12. I must confess that I’m very keen on a 4' Clarion (or Clairon). Not so keen on Clarion Tubas. There seems to be a bit of a trend at the moment for no manual 4' reeds on even quite sizeable 3 manual instruments, eg the one in St George’s Hanover Square. http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=E02004
  13. I’m no expert but I was under the impression that most treatises on continuo realisation on keyboard instruments generally indicate that the left hand plays the bass and the right hand “fills in” the harmony. If the right hand is busy playing a cornet or corno or flute obbligato then any harmony notes can only be added by the left hand, which would seem to me to mean that it is not going to be continuous added notes but merely, as Vox Humana says above, occasional left-hand octaves and left-hand chords.
  14. I’m in sympathy with your concerns. Three tierces, separate or in Cornets, would be useful, if only for that movement in Les Corps Glorieux.
  15. Maybe there are other “pure” intervals that could be used to similar effect.
  16. This sounds like a beautifully “pure” and musical approach! Thanks for your explanation, Friedrich—I suspect many will have been enlightened by it.
  17. If the two ranks are of identical design, construction, winding and voicing how can there be any difference if no other stops are being used to give a sense of the pitch of the instrument?
  18. I’m hoping it was an unintentional auto-correct.
  19. I don’t know this instrument but npor http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=N16925 indicates many “prepared for” stops. Two questions, well three really: Is npor accurate and up-to-date? What’s the instrument like, for services and as a recital instrument? “Prepared for” stops—in general how often are they eventually provided and how often do they remain as a, ahem, perpetual pipe dream?
  20. Doubling ranks was an English organ-building tradition in the 16th-17th centuries I think. And Renatus Harris had that idea (was it actually built) of 7 identical stops being added gradually by a pedal to effect a crescendo. But, yes, these multiple doubled ranks at York and Liverpool must have been problematic to tune and of limited success in the presumed intention of increasing volume.
  21. That’s absolutely true, and not just for Aubertin organs. But this forum would be even duller if we weren’t allowed to speculate based on stoplists. Aubertin himself mentions an organ providing all the essential stops for eg French classical repertoire, so I think discussion along those lines is legitimate.
  22. It’s also struck me that there’s an alternative sort-of' Cornet at 4' pitch using the Portunal 4', Flageolet 2', Quinte 1 ⅓' and the Tiercelette.
  23. I can imagine the high Tierce rank giving an almost cymbale quality to the Positive plenum, and adding a useful piquancy to solo combinations. Is a Suavial a flute? I always thought it a string, perhaps like a Geigen principal. 3' used to be standard for a twelfth, even on some mid-late C19 English organs. For higher mutations you need a more specific fraction to tell the difference between a 17th and a 19th, I suppose.
  24. Not sure if this counts as late Baroque or early Organ Reform Movement: http://www.npor.org.uk/NPORView.html?RI=K00981
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